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Talentfan then this is where we agree to disagree. The riders with suitable talent AND backing are the Marquezs Lorenzos and pedrosas. If a rider is out there who has the potential to be the next stoner, but lacks the backing, I still believe he will be eventually "discovered" if he really is that talented. You are on to something though. There is no direct correlation between success in the lower classes and success in gp. On one side there's Bradl and Elias, on the opposite there's stoner.