Renault planning suspension upgrade.

It is amazing how much technical and development knoledge and feedback Fernando Alonso takes with him to a team.
Last year he took McLaren back where it counts at the top of the charts but he was not appreciated there.
This year he has already revamped Renault, and new design features have, and are still being added to the R28 on his feedback and recommendations.
Crash.net said that Fernando was humiliated by Lewis last year. I don't think so.
Both Lewis and McLaren reaped huge benefits from Fernando's test programme pre-2007 season and the team knows it.
Fernando might be a bigger loss at McLaren than it is being taught by some.
If the new design succeeds at Renault, F & M watch out.

Maybe Renault kept a copy of that McLaren data and now with FA, they know how to use it.

Alonso was embarrassed by Lewis last year... FA's a two-times champ and, on occasion, was soundly and comfortably whooped by his ROOKIE team mate.

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Mr. Kipling, by the same token you are saying that Fernando had embarassed and humiliated Michael Schumacher (who had won the 7 WDC's), by taking the WDC from him in two consecutive years. I do not think so.
Sportsmen in any category compete against each other and some achieve good results at the expense of others. But if a sportsperson looks upon a win as if he has embarassed or humiliated his opponents than there is something fundamentally wrong with him.
All 22 drivers are on track with an ambition to do well. Some have better cars than others, others might seize opportunities quicker than others, but that's where it stops. Otherwise we will not have any sport events anywhere.

No, if a sportsman looks upon a win as embarrassing someone, there's something fundamentally right with him. What kind of a sportsmen just wants to win? Any champion will want to completely destroy his competition.

Alonso didn't embarrass Schumi in '05 and '06 because it was Fernando's fifth season in Formula 1. He did humble him though - in a big way.

Hamilton embarrassed Alonso in 2007 because Lewis had only driven a Formula 1 car in pre-season testing and was immediately faster than his far more experienced team mate. Then of course there's the fact that Fernando completely lost the plot and Lewis managed to keep his head.

Sports is not a dictatorship. Today I win, tomorrow you win and good luck to you.

Words like embarass and humiliating are not words that are used by sports people, because sports is entertainment to the masses and is there for enjoyment.

Hamilton neither kept his had nor won the plot because he lost a 19 point lead in two races, therefore succeeding admirably to humiliate and embarass himself something dreadfully to the sheer enjoyment and glee of Fernando and Kimi Raikonen who benefitted most of all.

"Crash.net said that Fernando was humiliated by Lewis last year. I don't think so."

That's not what they said at all....

"battling it out with Kimi Raikkonen and Lewis Hamilton, the men who humbled him in 2007"

beind humbled and being humiliated are two rather different things, and why oh why did you only pick up on Lewis being mentioned and not Kimi. I begin to think Reno, that you are a PR man for FA and Renault.....


Could it really be that Renault have at long last worked out what the "J" damper does.....

Reno, I hate to point out the obvious again, but it was Lewis's FIRST EVER SEASON IN F1.

Losing his lead in the last few races is hardly a humiliation or an embarrassment, especially given his complete lack of the brace of rookie errors that usually blight a first season in F1.

Anyone who can't recognise what a phenomenal first season Lewis had has got a serious problem and should, perhaps, consider a future as a football fan. I've always thought that one of the best things about F1 is that fans recognise a great talent when they see one.

No, sport is not a dictatorship - that statement makes no sense whatsoever. You seem to be of the 'it's not the winning that counts, it's the taking part' mentality.

You're quite clearly not, and never have been, a sportsman - let alone a vaguely successful one!

I can assure you that the last thing in an F1 driver's mind is "Today I win, tomorrow you win and good luck to you." Every single person on that grid will want to decimate everyone else, every single race.

"because sports is entertainment to the masses and is there for enjoyment"

err... what!

so the average club sports person competes purely to entertain the (non existant) masses....

it's called competition for a reason, you compete against others and try to better them... nothing more nor less.

Mr. K,

You make the point the LH had only driven a F1 car in pre-season testing. Prior to Melbourne last year LH had vastly more experience driving a Mclaren than FA. That has to count for something. It also is not like LH had no race experience. I think a good argument could be made that the support series have more competitive racing than F1. Basically two very capable drivers who had as close a finish as possible. It was unexpected that LH would do so well but when you look at why, maybe it should not have been. Obviously Mclaren saw something there or he would not have gotten the drive.

I think Lewis had a great first season rather than Alonso having a bad one, if he 2 extra points he would of been world champ, but that wouldnt of meant alonso thrashed lewis either. It was very close, equal points answer the question really

both had good seasons, and both made mistakes also. hence why neither was world champ.

Mr. Kipling, no I am not of the "it's not the winning that counts etc. mentality", that was an old idea which came out of the Olympic games and which does not hold any water with me.
If a sportsman is competing he must compete to win. But your mentality indicates that you might still be living in the middle ages and the gladiators.
Winning means glory, but glory is not just achieved by going home with the trophy. Glory means going home with the full respect of your peers, and not with the idea that you have humbled or embarassed them.

Of course Lewis had a very good rookie year, I never said anything different, but here we were simply discussing the use of the word "humbled"......

...or "humiliated" which have the same connotation.

As Al said, its called competition for a reason, you compete against others and you try to better them... nothing more nor less.
That's exactly it.
You try to win, you try to better the other competitors.
You do not try to embarass, or humble or humiliate them. That is the work of bullies and hooligans Mr. K, not sportsmen.

Hey kipling, you as the rest of Ham's fanboys bragg that he lost WDC by one point, when in fact he lost it by losin unprecedented 17 over 2 races.....Tough pill to swallow....eh:(

Welcome Doctors Office,its good to see another well informed,thoughtful,erudite member join in with the debate.I thought your recent comment really added something to this issue.

Allan, do you see anybody talking about suspension upgrade, as topic suggests, after the first post???
And what is factually wrong with my post???
As I have said it was/is tough pill to swallow

Form is temporary class is forever,let FA & LH give some time,time will speak itself.

Oh great, another unrelated story turns into a Lewis/Alonso debate right from the first post (a more fanboy comment I have yet to see on here, even from the Hamilton fans). How boring