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Kovalainen 'moved over', insists McLaren.

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Kovalainen 'moved over', insists McLaren.

There were no team orders affecting the result of the German Grand Prix, according to McLaren, despite Lewis Hamilton easily disposing of team-mate Heikki Kovalainen in his run to victory.

 10 people agree.  14 people disagree.

This is the reason why i and other people hate mclaren so much. It was obvious that LH was faster so rather than be held up then the order would have came from the pit wall that LH is faster please move over. I actually agree with team orders in this sense after all it the team who you drive for!!

WHY DONT MCLAREN STOP ACTING LIKE IT NEVER DOES ANYTHING WRONG AND PLAYS BY THE RULES AT ALL TIMES BECAUSE WE KNOW AND IT WAS PROVEN THAT YOU DONT.

Tifosi
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Posted by tifosi - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 1 people agree.  1 people disagree.

my radio must have been tuned into another teams messages.
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Posted by heikki - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 11 people agree.

This is why banning team orders was a stupid decision! How can you ever prove anything? People just need to live with the fact that F1 is a team sport. You cannot force a driver to fight for position.
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Posted by THE HAMILTRON - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 8 people agree.  1 people disagree.

as long as team orders aren't abused or used to determine the finishing order of the drivers (as ferrari did in austria (2001?)) then i see no problem in a team asking one of their drivers to move over for the other when he's blatently faster. its a stupid rule, teams shouldn't have to defend decisions that are just common sense.
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Posted by backbeat - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 5 people agree.  9 people disagree.

same story like a last year with alonso,when he's come to mclaren i think he must be no.1 but ron dennis not acept that and hamilton always have better car.i think mclaren is s h i t and for sure ferrari will be champ
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Posted by red - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 5 people agree.  2 people disagree.

if your teammates quicker move over, whether from choice or the phone call, its NOT the same as having it written in your contract that you must be able to pass your teammate even when you are evenly matched......presumably all the anti's on here would be playing a different tune if it was their favourite team !! get real boys and girls and be objective if you're slating the McLaren viewpoint, remember to have the same view/opinion when it's your teams turn...what goes around comes around
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Posted by sennaforever (84 days ago)
 3 people agree.

Zzzz Zzzzz. Get over it.

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Posted by matt_G - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 3 people agree.  3 people disagree.

The whole world watched Ron D finger hitting that red button for driver communication,when HK bent ooops moved over to let LH pass.In this scenario there was nothing wrong with that. Macca should be honest and stop acting like prudes.

HK - F1 is dog eat dog world,All these "Super Team-mate" gestures will be forgotten when they leave you on side walk end of season.Remember certain colombian let Kimi pass at SPA 2005 as team-mate gesture,when he was leading race over 30 secs. He even helped Macca fix their reliability issues with rear suspension geometry. And Macca returned the favor by hob-nobbing with Rising Star to bring New Sponsors.
Best Luck
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Posted by Too Good (84 days ago)
 2 people agree.  2 people disagree.

red - Mclaren like Ferrari do not give one driver a better car than the other driver this is to ensure that if one car retires from the race the other car has an equal chance of scoring points for the constructors/drivers championship, the fact is, as it is being proven now that hamilton is just a very fast driver and yes he may be even quicker than alonso who knows it is to early to tell yet. I think the main reason alonso thought he was not treated as number 1 was because hamilton was maybe on the better strategy sometimes teams tend to give a strategy to the driver who has the most points or who races more consistantly out of the two
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Posted by Barry Wilkinson (84 days ago)
Last Edited 84 days ago
 4 people agree.

Barry W - Wow thats a Pretty Bold Statement. Are you McLaren Insider to make those statements. Its all your assumptions presumptions.Or are you Ron D in disguise for that matter. Even Ron D known to flip flop on what he says under oath to the court (refer Spy Case statements during court proceedings).
Statements made by fans whose one-eyed love for team skews their vision doesn't count hahaa
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Posted by Helios - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 2 people agree.  1 people disagree.

"as long as team orders aren't abused or used to determine the finishing order of the drivers..."
Interesting... and just how would this happen?
Let him pass you but don't let him finish in front of you...
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Posted by FrankG - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 3 people agree.  2 people disagree.

LH passed FM & NP on the way to the front. What's so difficult about overtaking HK? Even FM was unable to contain him. Why would HK want to risk smashing his car with LH's when he can collect some points even in fourth or fifth position?
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Posted by Powerline 2008 - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 2 people agree.  1 people disagree.

Barry W.
Completely agree with you. All the cars (in one team) are equal - occasional exceptions when a team will try a new model towards the end of the season - the only difference is in the set up and the drivers ability (common sense really). Hamilton is either a better / faster driver than Kovvi OR he can set the car up better or possibly both...... tTo prove the point, Raikonnen could not get the car set up corrrectly in Germany, Massa did a better job.
As for team orders, where do you draw the line? team says you will carry enough fuel for 20 laps, your partner will carry fuel for 23 laps, could this be team orders? determining which driver will pit first?
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Posted by Shirley Nott - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 6 people agree.  1 people disagree.

I can't believe we're still going over this. If HK had anywhere near the pace of LH, then the result would have been a Mclaren 1-2. That would have pushed Massa to 4th. Then, it wouldn't matter whether HK or LH was on the top step, as LH would still have a good points lead, and HK would have got a morale boosting win too.

Even if HK was told to let LH past, had his pace been close, he would have had a chance to dispatch Massa, but as it was LH was several seconds down the road within a couple of laps. Those crying 'team orders' have been watching through Red coloured spectacles, I think. No need for team orders - LH was stuck behind HK for 1.5 laps - an order would have come quicker.
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Posted by Robsy - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 2 people agree.

why are team orders banned? its hilarious. the concept is common sense, but its banned, so they have to disguise it. the fact they had to get on the radio to heikki is team orders enuff. it doesnt take a lot to say to him before the race "hey, when i tell u over the radio that lewis is faster, it means move the fck over, little boy". either way, since its banned, this move was illegal.

judging from that awesome overtake from heikki on kubica that same gp, that raw fighter in heikki would never in a million yrs let a driver thru the way he let lewis thru. team orders were banned so that drivers within the team could race each other fairly....
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Posted by z - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 5 people agree.  2 people disagree.

I agree with Robsy, these Ferrari fans are just bitter because they are being completely thrashed by LH!!

Lewis world champ 2009!!

Ferraris two drivers have no chance, one isnt bothered and the other one is nowhere near good enough to be world champ. They will take points off each other and make it easy for Lewis in that great car he has underneath him!! Next two races are easy wins for Lewis
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Posted by lee - Unregistered (84 days ago)
 5 people agree.  2 people disagree.

Frank G, my point was that if you're overtaking your teammate for 5th and then go on to win the race, with him coming in in 5th then its a huge differance to being let through on the last lap (or last 5 laps ect) because the team told driver 2 to slow to let you past, thats abuse of the system. As i said, if a car is blatently faster then its just common sense to release that car without risking an accident.
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Posted by backbeat - Unregistered (84 days ago)
McLaren have plenty of previous doing this - I remember Australia 98 very well when my fellow welshman DC was cruelly asked to move aside in order to let Mika H through. They called it a 'gentlemans agreement' back then - whoever lead into the 1st corner would take the race...

10 years later, that great welsh dragon DC never did get the championship he richly deserved.
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Posted by DC - A true welsh gent - Unregistered (84 days ago)
not sure who you mean DC i.e. David Coultard is Scottish
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Posted by Barry Wilkinson (84 days ago)
Barry - that's just marketing. He's as welsh as the dragon itself.
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Posted by DC - A true welsh gent - Unregistered (84 days ago)
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