Hamilton: Massa Fuji move was 'deliberate'.

And that's because it was! remember schumi 1994?

I agree with Hamilton. I slo-mo'd some of the footage and checked some of the stills from that incident, and Massa wasn't looking at the road ahead he was looking at Hamiltons car.

I don't believe Massa is a malicious driver, simply that he outbraked himself, giving Hamilton the corner - and as such was probably a little ambitious in trying to stay wheel to wheel with him.

I have to agree with Ron Dennis concerning the FIA. Some of the inconsistencies in punishments are breathtaking, and one has to ask why would they want to appear to be giving advantage to Ferrari? As someone alluded to in a seperate post, Ferrari were the only team to agree to: and sign up to, the current Concorde Agreement. This concurs also with Mosley's confirmation of Ferrari's importance to the sport. I sincerely hope that in future, Formula One can be allowed to dictate itself.

I have to say when an incident like this happens it should be a black flag. Just like Schumacher taking Hill out in Oz in 94. The intention in both cases was to take out the opponent. It also means that LH struggled all race with a damaged car.

yeah and canada 08 wasn't deliberate ither hamilton??? was a joker!

Lewis made a couple of errors, first corner particularly, he needs to shut up and get on with racing.
The situation with Massa was 50/50 racing incident, no more or less than that, i'm sure Hamilton would have done the same thing.

Um, is that similar to the 'deliberate' move Lewis pulled on Timo (or Alonso) at Monza? That kind of deliberate? Seems to me an attitude of 'I can be as aggressive as I like because I am Lewis Hamilton', but lawdy help anyone else who happens to show a little of the same 'spirit'. Massa would have risked his own race & title chase by deliberately punting Ham off, everything to lose. A driver misjudgement, nothing more.. kinda like folks said about LH at Spa.

Massa claims Hamilton pushed him wide at the chicane, but all he did was out-brake himself as far as I can see. I didn't see any contact and Hamilton wasn't really that close to him as they came through the corner either.

At least Hamilton admitted to his mistake. Massa maintains he was in the right even when he has 2 wheels off the track and is barging into his title rival. While I don't think it was necessarily delibrate, it's a bit much for Massa to be justifying it as anything other than a mistake.

Also, why should they get the same penalty for different errors, one that is clearly more detrimental than the other?

Turn 1 for Hamilton was more a racing incident than Massa's he was racing and racers attempt overtakes without hitting their opponents and no matter what Raikonnen says he didn't touch him, the camera replays prove that. He tried a block pass which so many have people have done over the years without penalty. Massa hit Hamilton's car from off track, why didn't he do what Hamilton did at Spa and drive back on track yeidling the position before trying again at the next corner? Or have all the Ferrari fans forgotten what they said about that incident. Punishments should fit the crime, Massa should have allowed Hamilton to repass or been held in the pits until Hamilton had repassed.

Well, Lewis did say 'he wouldnt have got past if it had been me' after he passed Massa at Magny Cours. Perhaps Massa didnt like that particular accusation

In the lap two incident, Massa was on a vector to hit Lewis not make the corner, especially considering the rest of the field was coming into the corner. If he did not hit Lewis, he would have been in another accident as he would have been almost perpendicular in the tight corner.
The fact that Massa denies any wrong doing in any incident is a clear indicator of his character.

Massa is lucky that the Ferrari did not sustain much damage. Ferrari's are very resilient, perhaps they are designed for ramming...

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I'm not convinced it was totally on purpose, but a very risky move for which he should have been punished. The FIA are appearing very biased towards Ferrari, and not just anti McLaren. I don't think Lewis should be shouting from the roof tops that Massa did it on purpose he should just concentrate on China!

It seems to me that the same people who called Hamilton for going off track and giving the place back to kimi, are the ones saying it was ok for Massa to completely leave the track and, totally out of control, run into the side of Hamilton.. go figure... incidentally Massa also left the track completely to pass Webber.. F1 is no longer a sport, it is an ego trip for MM and Ecclestone...

This is the single most stupid thing I've heard Hamilton say. Why would Massa potentially wreck his own race (and push for WDC) by deliberately crashing into LH? He wouldn't, simple as. I don't believe for second that Massa would do such a thing. We've all seen how handy the stewards are lately with penalties for everything, Massa just wouldn't stoop that to level. Seems to me LH is about as popular in the pitlane as a turd in a swimming pool.

I don't think Lewis is all bad really, though I'm no fan. I partly blame his indoctrination by McLaren from his early years for his bad attitude and spoilt brat tantrums.

Two wrongs don't make one Right!!!! Barring one contractually obliged driver. if the other 18 are saying Lewis should take it slow, respect the rules of track. They are all wussies, and not fit to be on grid. If this is the baseline of whole discussion. Might as well the site owners block NON-UK IP Addresses from posting and let the outsiders see Lewis Praisers Convention. Unfortunately that still leaves Users like me who live in England to talk some sense to the participants here. We are proponents of "democracy" and go out to defend democracies and we can't tolerate a "Different View"

@doodaa you have said massa was out of control when he hit lewis. What will you say about Lewis in the first corner and making at least 5 cars run wide to avoid his immature move?lets face it these guys are racers and they all do the same stuff and cry when its done to them. Like we all humans would. But honestly i was libid with kimmi he should have turned normally in the first corner and shown LH that not everybody will let him pull off his stupid moves.hope before the season end or even next year someone has the gutts to do it to Lewis he takes his overtaking moves too much for granted

@doodaa you have said massa was out of control when he hit lewis. What will you say about Lewis in the first corner and making at least 5 cars run wide to avoid his immature move?lets face it these guys are racers and they all do the same stuff and cry when its done to them. Like we all humans would. But honestly i was libid with kimmi he should have turned normally in the first corner and shown LH that not everybody will let him pull off his stupid moves.hope before the season end or even next year someone has the gutts to do it to Lewis he takes his overtaking moves too much for granted

Sour grapes again from the gokarter. He should go back and start again. In my woods we have the advanced BMW driving course. I am sure in UK they must have something similar. He should go and learn driving first. Of course there are some other things that they are missing from his vocabulary: humility, respect for the users of the road, ability to overtake without causing other drivers to crash into something.... and lots more. As for his patron Ron boy typical Briton, arrogant, there is no other person I care about in this world and I am afraid to say he knows very very little what racing means, no wonder Lewis is what he is....

It's not surprising why LH is hated by so many. Here, you've a motorsport - F1 - unlike NASCAR, having a black & 2nd year rookie threatening to put the white boys to shame. We've had black drivers in NASCAR for years, thus, we don't see the kind of venom being spilled around as in F1.