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I haven't seen the photo, so there may be provocation.
Nevertheless, I'll ask some questions
- is it acceptable to push people over?
- wouldn't apologising be the right thing to do?
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Posted by Simon (14 days ago)
 1 people disagree.

chu

you going to change you're name to chuifosi?
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Posted by Simon (14 days ago)
Adrian - they did the same before Silverstone - as I recall that race had some overtaking!

The Hamiltron - I think not, else Williams have made a major shift forward. More like Ferrari concentrating on longer runs.
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Posted by Simon (14 days ago)
 3 people agree.  7 people disagree.

Ragged Edge

If you saw the incident I'd be pleased to learn more. Else I'll go on what I know.

The photographer in question is 56, has been doing the job for near 40 years and said he did not touch any of Kimi's stuff. Kimi, by contrast, is 27 and a professional athlete to boot. Both were there to do a job.

Pushing someone over is unacceptable behaviour in almost any situation. To do it to someone who is, presumably, weaker, is cowardly. Not to apologise is charmless.

I have a grip, thanks.
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Posted by Simon (14 days ago)
Last Edited 14 days ago
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richard

I can't believe you are unaware that Alonso was an enthusaistic recipient of the Ferrari data last year - anyone reading more than the story headlines would know about this.
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Posted by Simon (14 days ago)
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GIYMHH
You also chose to impose your moral values - for instance your statement "What goes on between consenting adults is their business" is not shared by everyone (Armin Meiwes anyone?). In addition you have presented your argument in a judgemental way, which is ironic.

But...I guess the legal debate will turn on whether there was nazi connotations in his games. If there was I can't see how Max will be able to say there is no public interest in this story. Max is an ex Union Movement candidate(a neo fascist party), so the public would be probably be judged to have a legitimate interest in whether Max still gets excited by naziism.
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Posted by Simon (14 days ago)
nice to see he apologiesed for pushing over an elderly photographer.

Oh no, he didn't.
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Posted by Simon (14 days ago)
Ahh, religious wars.

Logic always wins out in the end. There'll be much recognition that the other side has a valid point, followed by adaptations of what is believed, before everyone adopts a mutually accepted story on what really happened last year. And everyone will be happy.

Or maybe not.
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Posted by Simon (16 days ago)
Well - your first statement is obvious, and the rest is irrelevant. Feel free to try again.
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Posted by Simon (23 days ago)
Last Edited 23 days ago
Mice Nuts

You failed in your attempt.

You have tried to show that my argument is not solid by attempting to show it is not universal (by asserting that you are not within the defined group). As my post is explicitly non-universal, it has no bearing on the point I made.

Do feel free to try again.
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Posted by Simon (23 days ago)
Last Edited 23 days ago
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Mice

I was trying to answer a question Ellen posed to Chu. Asking where you 'fit' is both nonsensical and ridiculously self-centred.
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Posted by Simon (23 days ago)
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Ellen

The best way to explain the problem here is that the subject is a matter of *faith* for many posters here - they believe their hero - or favourite team - is the best and is infallible, so any evidence to the contrary is by definition a lie.

Hence - people who don't agree with them are foolish 'fanboys', and equally trying to argue using logic is sadly a waste of time.
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Posted by Simon (23 days ago)
 3 people agree.

Sad day when Williams talks about his own team in such modest terms.
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Posted by Simon (31 days ago)
 1 people agree.

the older British teams, who BE could assume would follow him almost anywhere (he can get them more money) have largely been sold out to manufacturers. Manufacturers aren't in it for the 'direct' money that F1 brings and have a different agenda.

The man he put in place (and funded) to keep the status quo and give him ridiculously lucrative contracts - Max M - has turned against him, and is now not playing ball with a new concorde agreement. As I understand it this was the contract that enshrined Bernies power.

So BE appears to have greatly reduced power over F1 and far fewer freinds, and judging from his recent statements no clear plan how to fix it.

Good is all I say!
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Posted by Simon (35 days ago)
 6 people agree.  3 people disagree.

Tealeaf

Hamilton got sponsored by Dennis *because* he was winning championships and because he had the gumption to go up to Ron Dennis and tell him he wanted to drive for him age 10.

He showed speed and courage at a remarkable young age - which compares starkly with your pathetic contributions in which you can't even write his name correctly.
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Posted by Simon (37 days ago)
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