I can sort some of this out by citing Australian Motorcycle news again. In an article on page 119 of the current edition by Colin Young it is stated as fact (and AMCN is usually well informed) that Marco has had his contract finalised as of round 11 (Laguna).
At round 12 (Czech) he will be riding the third Kawasaki normally used by Olivier Jacque as a test bike and shall continue on with them (team green) in 2009.
Sete will be riding the second factory Duc and the only part of the article acknowledged as informed speculation is that Hayden will take the Ducati over in 2009. I believe he will sign up if Sete is getting good results on it (i.e. not a 1 rider bike)
Posted by Andy Roo (138 days ago)
Last Edited 138 days ago
"Andy Roo - any links on that article in that Australian Magazine??? Posted by so true - Unregistered (5 hours ago)"
No, sorry I get it home delivered. It is Aus MC NEws Vol 58 No.1. I'll give you this one in which Rossi refers to Stoner and the Ducati (not either exclusive of the other) as "supernatural". Vale knows what he is facing.
Valentino is also critical of his starting, which in lucid and objective moments I have nominated as being his weakness - you cannot let Dani and Casey go at the start - they are too hard to catch, what he could do 5 years ago is now nearly impossible with 800 & the newer riders.
In an interesting interview with Vale this week in Australian motorcycle news Vale states the "bike" theory is rubbish and Casey is just a driven hard competitor and rider.
Vale has spoken, all the Stoner "fanboys" (I love being called a "boy" - My oldest kid is about to turn 21) are just fans, as are the fans for Vale.
It isn't how to stop Casey that is the problem it's how to catch him. When the attitudinal shift occurs I think the problem will solve itself. Mind you, he is riding a crappy bike (on average) and the best factories in the world have had nearly two years to work it out, maybe he is just plain old fast…
Posted by Andy Roo (138 days ago)
Last Edited 138 days ago
I read a post the other night where someone said MM gets paid more than CS. This is true, I was horrified but I found out that CS get a bonus per race and C'ship win (millions apparently).
This makes him ride harder & may be the answer for the others – commission payments instead of a salary – Casey (quoting Sydney Daily telegraph) pulled 12 million from winning 10 times + a championship. Casey stays on this win and pay contract until 2009.
I'll throw this one out for debate. Motogp riders on huge salaries with smaller performance bonuses don't ride as hard as those on small salaries and big performance bonuses. Perhaps it's (economic) psychology and not traction control?
Woah - just looked at the pictures of CS's Duc after he stepped off it. Any bike trashed like that breaks my heart.
Belly - De Angelis has to prove himself in the wet to make any real impact this weekend BUT if we get a dry or drying track I think he will do more to stuff DP & VR up. If Casey stays on during the race (he has discovered the limits of the machine this weekend) then he could really close the point's gap.
I put it out there for someone to debate the other night but I got no takers. What is unfair with Casey having TC whilst every other rider has it as well? When Alex Goebert (Aust MC News) tested his 2007 bike he found he has it on its absolute minimum setting.
The Magneti Marelli system that CS uses is the series 1 unit (as does Kawasaki) and yamaha have the improved series 2 unit. Yamaha owns Magneti Marelli.
I just don't see what the fuss is about and I want someone to (without vitriolic unfounded anti stonerisms) explain it to me, and then explain why Marco, Toni and Sylvain got broken ones.
Bored individual I may be - I watched the live timing last night when FP2 was on, De Angelis was only a whisker behind Casey the whole way, he ran about 12 consecutive laps at great pace. Apparently San Gresini are a little over Alex so it would be good to see him get a good result.
His pace at the moment would be upsetting Pedro and Vale more than Caseys pace, Casey is predictably fast but the prospect of a non contender between them and the winner really closes the points gap.
He was fastest (pole) last year in the 1:22's, Dani was faster in the race somewhere in the 1:23's. As I post Stoner has just lapped at 1:21.703 and that'll be the track record.
De Angelis has sort of come from the boondocks at present to be running in 2nd after cutting the 2nd fastest time in FP1. WTF?
Brother from another moth (it's how it comes out). So here I am thinking (because it Friday night and I'm on the red (again). Wow, he's from a MOTH. That's deep. But it's because there is a letter limit to your name isn't it tiger (moth).
Who's racing skill am I to restrict my comments to, Casey? He's fast. Ever been to India? Get that India… (do it with Australian accent – its HILARIOUS)
Valentino. He's fast, we know he's the king.
People posted after me with terribly personal comments but you held your tongue. Moth - is there a point to this restriction or are you the self appointed unregistered enforcer on this site?
Come on guys, don't give up on Vale just yet, at least let the race run. Tossing it in from FP1 is a little defeatist. I guarantee the great man (Vale) is NOT thinking that he's beat but he knows there will be a challenge.
I genuinely would like to see the top 3 separated by a bee's **** in times so they knuckle on during the race.
I follow on from you Paul in that - yes Casey is on fire and the first three runners DP,VR & Cs are sufficiently close that if someone gets away at the start it takes a Herculean effort to chase them down UNLESS they get a good start. Pedro and Nicki have the goods on launch control this year, their starting has been phenomenal. VR has only just come over to Bridgestone and doesn't have the experience starting on the tyres just yet and he has fallen off on the starts. One should consider that soon JL will find his feet again and soon join the fray. If the three riders get good starts then we should be up for a good fight because it's been a little flat with the runaways.
Another quality thread - Good to see Magnetti on - Magenetti (company) is owned by Yamaha but paradoxically gives its best unit to a competitor - hard to understand but it is time to examine this & have it explained why CS having TC is fundamentally unfair whilst ALL BIKES in the four stroke era used/use TC.
Looks like a wet race – this is the 1 chance for Suzuki or Kawasaki to win/podium this year. JH is out & AW cannot come to grips with the bike, both the Suzuki riders are wet winners. Casey is a wet winner & has a chance to scrape back points. VR is untested on B'Stones in the wet & Dani is quietly soldiering on - without slandering others - who are we backing and why?
Damn you Doodaa, I was about to go to bed (with the maid and the wife)
You're good with the "submissible" (admissible) about the overtaking. But for corners it would be true, but for the other three duc's (alluded to) it would be true. It is straight in a fast line but there's a lot of corners in motogp
I'll tell you a quick story, I've got a mate who is a Barrister, and his loo packs it in (too much lobster mornay), he calls the plumber who fixes it and when he's finished he gives him the bill. My mate looks at and says, "mate, I'm a Barrister and I don't charge that much an hour". The plumber looks at him and says, "yeah mate, when I was a Barrister I didn't charge that much either"
Doodaa - I'm a Guvmint one, my plumber earns more. I work in an analysis and policy area that is sooo mind numbingly boring it causes narcolepsy. It is so bad I do some community legal work (free) just to remind me I have a soul. No Jodhpurs or maid but I'm taking that one into work tomorrow.
That said I think the mousketeer who has eaten his cheese and cleaned his whiskers may be back for Honda like last year AND he is riding better in the wet. If I did wear jodhpurs I'd bet you a case of Bollinger Casey and Vale are fighting for 2nd place, not first…
CS is a good rider & it's called a championship. They're all out there giving it a red hot go. Just because I come across like a pompous ass doesn't mean I don't understand racing, I've done plenty & raced some big names (in motox & enduro) along the way. I lost a lot. What I object to is the vilification of CS's riding. Every night we get. "It's the bike, It's the TC" and so on – all p&^s weak arguments. It is boring & repetitive. I put a post on here about the Honda launch control & no one answers because we're in the attack CS hour. You guys don't want racing, you want something scripted like wrestling and that is the antithesis of what racing is. You really understand racing?
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