Top ten MotoGP stars: James Toseland [7].

well, crash.net is a british forum so its no surprise that JT ranks seventh on motogp paddock. is he deservedly so? that's a whole different matter.

well well well ol king toe gets the royal treatment.....imagine what will happen if ever he stumbles onto the podium

I think this is a fair ranking for toseland, given the 10 on the list to vote from (rossi, stoner, pedrosa, lorenzo, dovi, hayden, edwards, toseland, elias, de angelis).

did toseland have a better year than de angelis - yes. than elias - i think so. than edwards - arguable either way.

bottom line is that toseland was one of the few riders who actually put up a fight for EVERY position - even when he was at the back of teh field. seeing him banging bars for places at the lower end of the top ten showed he wants it bad. Edwards gives up too easily, remember the way he let rossi through at le mans?

I dont think he had a bad year, it just shows how much each experianced rider knows each track and the machinery. when he went to tracks he knew he wasnt in the top 3 but was in the top 8 most of the time(donnington being the biggest exception) i think there was so much presure on him that weekend he was always going to struggle.
otherwise toward the end of the season he didnt do too bad. i think he will be tech 3 number 1 rider next year or atleast trying to finish infront of edwards in every race. but he will also be riding a world beating bike so he might feel the pressure from that. Me being english hope he does well but i dont think he will compete with lorenzo and dovi next year.

Agree virtual with the le mans let through of rossi (and sete). JT is hungry for it where as Colin proved yet again that once a deal was done for this year his performance dropped off. Given the rookie status of JT and the people he beat both in this popularity contest and in the WC he did prove he has the hungar and was one of a very, very small amount of people this year to re-pass rossi more than once, fair play to the lad and good luck. I cant wait to see next year now that colin and JT are no longer freinds!! Should make for some good battles!!! ex sbk riders an all

i think this is bull......
he shouldn't even be in the top ten.
he was on the best bike out there. in the first rounds when his rubber was working i expected much much more from him. indeed he is hungry maybe Little too hungry and aggressive for the MotoGP finesse.
i wish him all the luck next year but i doubt it he will beat his team mate.

Good Luck JT prove me wrong.

With respect pini pong, if most people agreed with you that Toseland didn't deserve to be on the list then he would have been voted 10th (and last) not 7th!

I also don't think he was on 'the best bike out there'. A bridgestone M1 like rossi would have been the best all round bike, a full factory Michelin bike like Lorenzo next after that and then his satelitte M1.

All three michelin M1 riders had erratic results this year.

Faster.
the majority of the readers and writers on this website are English.
English always back up their guy. that's why he made the top ten in the first place,
and tats why he isn't last in the list.and as for the best bike i didn't mean the NO.1 bike on the grid but over all the best package.better then Dovi's bike? better then the Gresini bikes?better then the Suzy's? at least as good as the Repsol bikes"in the first half of the season." but still from my point of view i excepted more. he is a very skill-full rider that isn't afraid to fight for positions that he learned very well in SBK.i just think there are better riders that finished higher then him in the championship
Good luck

Lot of big claims there pini pong!

How do you know "the majority of the readers and writers on this website are English"?

I know its uk based, so the writer part might be true, but the reader part??? It's just as easy to read crash outside of the uk as inside. If you want to see what real national bias is then look at mcn, superbikeplanet or any of the spanish or italian sites.

"English always back up their guy". If that's the case why wasn't Toseland voted HIGHER on the list????

"That's why he made the top ten in the first place" - nope. Go read the de angelis vote story, it explains how the top ten was selected.

First up I am not British! I think James performed as well as can be expected for his first year in Moto Gp, the tires which for 3 races at least were just not good enough, I saw him at Phillip island and he was very impressive, his final finishing position with a bit of luck could have been 2 better at least. James was the WSB champion and I believe he deserved his title, I know this is going to bring howls of protests but James said riding a Moto gp bike is a step up from a WSB bike in terms of braking, corner speed etc, Although with some of the current WSB bikes which are in reality Moto gp bikes this situation may not last, sad.

Faster.
i take my words back...(why he is in the list)
but still realistically he should have been max 8TH.
if you have been reading much in this site you know that the majority of writers are English...don't get me wrong, my biggest disappointment this year was NO8 Mr Edwards.
i really like him and expected much more from him.i expected the two Oldies Edwards,Capirossi to do much better! Loris has some good excuses but Colin doesn't have much and if he really cant improve this year then with as much love i have for him i really think he should be replaced.
I, like most of the writers here really hope all the riders catch up and that the races will be much closer next year.
Good luck

England's world champion Lewis Hamilton has been voted 4th in the F1 poll...

...so much for the english voting for their own!

Toseland the #7 rider? You're kidding, right? He couldn't even crack the top ten in points in an 18 rider grid. That makes him well below average. He's a good rider and I want to see him do well, but he didn't come close to living up to expectations this year (although the expectations might have been set too high.)

It:s hard to judge JT because there were no other rookies from outside of 125 and 250 like him. It's a big disadvanteg not to know the tracks.

I'd say he did ok for most of the year, was crap at a few rounds and looked brilliant on a couple of occasions (his second on grid at qatar, battling with lorenzo etc at qatar race and then his phillip island effort). Not much to shout about but that's a few brilliant moments more than most outside of the top 7 had.

I see what you:re saying uncle vito, but if you're just going to rate a rider by their championship position then there's no point in having a vote.

Well done JT.

I feel he was the only " true " rookie as he did not know all the tracks, unlike Dovi / Lorenzo and co.

Good stuff James.

Show them your heels in 2009.

Do people really know so little about what Moto Gp is about? the current 800cc bikes are very much like 250's with very high corner speeds (not just my opinion)this is shown by the speed shown by successful 250cc riders like Dovi,Stoner, Vale, Pedrosa and Lorenzo to name a few who came up through 125 and 250 class, I think these guys adapt to 800cc better than ex superbike riders, given his lack of circuit knowledge, tire issues in some races and having to adapt to the complexities of the moto gp bike James has done as well as can be expected, obviously Yamaha believe in him because he has a 2 year contract and at the end of the day they are the ones who really count!

Rossi said several times this year that he had been very impressed by Toseland. That's good enough for me.

I am surprised of the result considering this is an English website with the majority of people are fans of clownboy.

I would have through with the obvious english biased that Toseland would have come 2nd only to Rossi.

I I wonder if Stoner will crack the top 5 in this popularity pole?

still results in your 1st year with on the best bike in the field.

Name: James Toseland
Team: Tech 3 Yamaha
Bike: Yamaha YZR-M1
Wins: 0
Podiums: 0
Pole Positions: 0
Fastest laps: 0
Championship points: 105
Championship position: 11th


Pretty poor if you ask me. I would have expected more from a 2 times world champion.

Is this all you guys talking about voting or JT's 1st performance. I don't get it. You just can't judge him at present with the focus still on learning tracks, bike, and tyres. Wait for the next season and see how he'll manage all these.

It's possibly because the majority of the website's visitors are in fact intelligent and educated enough to vote in a considered and unbiased way.

It just seems like there are a lot of blinkered morons on here because generally they are the ones to post of the forum, slagging off riders, baiting people, **** stirring and generally trying to start an argument by making sly digs that are bound to get the fans fighting back. There are perfect examples of that on this thread, funnily enough. Grow up people.