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Ten Kate defends Checa victory lunge.

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Team boss defends Checa victory lunge.

Carlos Checa's team manager, Ronald ten Kate, has defended the Spaniard's dramatic last-turn lunge for the lead at Valencia on Sunday, which brought down both himself and Max Neukirchner - leaving the German with a broken collarbone.

 2 people agree.  1 people disagree.

IM sorry crash.net but i dont think you should put the "" int the word sorry. You really think Carlos is not sorry about what happende to Max? Hope you rectificate that.

Hi Ana, the word "sorry" is in quotation marks simply because that is the exact word that Checa used when talking about the incident. It does not mean anything else. Crash.net.
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Posted by Ana - Unregistered (240 days ago)
Last Edited 240 days ago
 8 people agree.  1 people disagree.

It s pretty obvious to me it was a quotation. Again, the whole incident has been magnified by the fact that ithappened at the last turn fo what ciuld ve been Max N s maiden win. But that should not affect our judgements. Those who say checa shouldnt ve tried i think should stick to f1
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Posted by chu chu (240 days ago)
 12 people agree.  2 people disagree.

I feel really sorry for Max, but I also don't blame Checa for trying. The race doesn't end until the cheqered flag and it wasn't a million miles away from the Rossi/Gibernau last corner clash at Jerez in 2005...

Again, Max didn't deserve to be caught up in it. In an 'ideal' world Checa would either have made the pass safely and been a hero, or fallen on his own without bringing Max down.

Both riders deserved to win in my eyes.
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Posted by Team Green (240 days ago)
 7 people agree.  1 people disagree.

Checa was brilliant, all his overtaking being clean and decisive, especially getting cleanly under Bayliss and Haga in one corner - they're hard enough to overtake individually.

He had to go for it in the last corner and looking at it in slow motion he almost got away with it.

I feel very sorry for Neukirchner but this all happened in a split second - it's what happens when you want to win.
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Posted by JeffS - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 7 people agree.  22 people disagree.


Checa should have been suspended for several races for that bone head move. I hope somebody takes him out in the same way soon.
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Posted by edward - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 5 people agree.  3 people disagree.

Stick to the Sofa edward or watch womens tennis, golf, darts or snooker. If you've ever raced at any level you will know the desire to win does, on occasions, even for the top men of the sport cloud a little judgement and that what can be a fairly straight forward move proves sometimes to be just a little rash, mostly it works (a hard overtake) sometimes it does not. If it results in both going down then that's racing, we've all been guilty of that at some time but few of us are scrutinised on TV for our mistakes. Remember Max Neukirchners moves at Brno last year, great moves because he got away with them. What goes round comes round!
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Posted by tonyed - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 6 people agree.  14 people disagree.

Oh, you're a racer, Tonyed. Wow. I'm really impressed. Checa's move was stupid. He could have had second and the points but he wanted to be a hero in front of the Spanish crowd. DUMB!
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Posted by edward - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 9 people agree.  3 people disagree.

Alstare Suzuki described the incident as 'Checa tried an impossible manoeuvre up the inside of Max and his rear wheel hit Max, causing both of them to crash'. That's exactly as I saw it too.
You can't do a bonehead move and then simply try and justify it by saying it was a 'racing incident'.
As for comparing it to the Rossi/Gibernau last corner clash at Jerez in 2005 ... not quite ... Rossi deliberately used Gibernau to steer round the corner, which was even worse. At least it looks like Checa was just stupid rather than calculating.
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Posted by PhilW - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 4 people agree.  1 people disagree.

No one likes to see any rider take-out another. (and Im sure Carlos didnt do on purpose) We all should be thankful that atleast in this form of racing we have just that, "racing" and not a procession like in F1.
Get well soon Max.
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Posted by Lucifer - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 5 people agree.  1 people disagree.

edward, yes he s raced, so have i, nothing to be impressed about. u dont need to race gpp bike sto understand racing
you sir should stick to f1. you re comment "I hope somebody takes him out in the same way soon. " is as stupid as it gets. Mind you, checa was taken out by holland in a much more dangerous way in PI and diodnt even mention it. Learn some racing and come back in a few years
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Posted by chu chu (240 days ago)
 2 people agree.  5 people disagree.

Regarding the f-1 processions, yesterday was interesting as the question has surfaced if Alonso had "brake tested" Hamilton. Also I recall another multi world champion who was not adverse to taking out an opponent when the championship was at stake. Ask Hill and Villeneuve. But the hairball move by Checa was not calculated in any way and he should be punished for it.
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Posted by edward - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 4 people agree.  1 people disagree.

Next time max n will not take the wider line in the last turn of the race.
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Posted by chu chu (240 days ago)
 2 people agree.  6 people disagree.

Another armchair racer heard from. A little club racing and they natter on about if the rest of their lives. If you don't think Checa's move was stupid, it shows your lack of knowledge of top level racing.
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Posted by edward - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 4 people agree.  2 people disagree.

hahahah u teach me then!!! max gave up 3 secs in 2 laps - checa had to go for it, he was cutting tents on every turn - u sir have no idea what you re talking about.
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Posted by chu chu (240 days ago)
 1 people agree.  3 people disagree.

Ronald Ten Kate can say what he likes, The looks on all his mechanics faces spell out loud and clear that they'd rather have James Toseland on the bike
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Posted by Marcster chief - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 4 people agree.  5 people disagree.

Well, a crash like this may happen in such an overheated situation - no discussion about that. But what really pisses me off is that Carlos hasn't had the courage until now to apologize from person to person. You may say: he doesn't need to. I completely disagree! If he would be a true sportsman (not mentioning a local hero) he would not finish the race and start the fireworks after performing such a stupid move. Hey? What do previous races count in this matter, when someone else attacked Carlos in a similar way? It has nothing to do with that Valencia race. Shame on you, Carlos, for this arrogant behaviour! Marc
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Posted by Marc - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 4 people agree.  2 people disagree.

edward - go to www.worldsbk.com and watch the 'crash after crash' video and you will see that Carlos was half a bike length in front of Max before he fell, Max had already seen Carlos just before that as you see Max pick the bike up as Carlos passed on the inside. It was Checca's home race, he had come from 12th to catch the leader on the last lap, it was pretty obvious he was going to go for the race win. There was nothing stupid about what he did, if he did do anything wrong it was getting a poor start. It's not like he did a Capirossi on Harada move - now that was stupid.
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Posted by 190mph - Unregistered (240 days ago)
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Checked that web site 190mph and got a message the vid was not available in my region. However I have the race recorded on my Tivo and I just rewatched it on slo-mo. Checa would never have made the corner even if Max had not have been in front of him. He went in way too hot and took Max out from behind. Pilot error and then some. Bad show.
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Posted by edward - Unregistered (240 days ago)
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Every pass attempts have own logics?

Until the last lap Carlos was the star of the race but suddenly he thought to pass Max but there was no control on his move? It was obviously clear that Max has advantage and there was no much room for Carlos. Carlos was too optimistic and he tried but Max was there and trying to take corner?

If Carlos only falls down then no problem but next him he took Max who has no fault and right for victory!...



For me until the last corner race was amazing but after that sad so much? Lanzi is not the real winner but he was the lucky winner!!!

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Posted by SULTAN - Unregistered (240 days ago)
 4 people agree.  2 people disagree.

edward - Carlos did not take out Max from behind, Carlos was already alongside and was actually slightly ahead before he fell. If the roles were reversed and it was Max's home race he would of tried the same manoeuvre, any racer would. It's what makes motorcycle racing so good to watch - knowing that the riders will give it their all.
Carlos was clearly the quickest rider on race day, the way he passed Bayliss and Haga in race two proved that he wanted race wins and wasn't going to settle for second.
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Posted by 190mph - Unregistered (240 days ago)
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