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Joeski

April 04, 2015 2:04 PM

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GO Kiyo!!! Byrne won last year...and if BSB used standard points system...Byrne would have won also...but anyway...the current BSB system allows for this competition and most certainly we were robbed of a thrilling final encounter.... I like Byrne but I am pulling for Kiyo this year...maybe even Brookes... a different champ would spice things up but mostly I am looking for on track competition not some runaway wins etc....Go BSB!!

Joeski

April 05, 2015 3:41 AM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


".. i thought limiting fuel, engines and engine freeze should help reduce/maintain cost." Common misconception....developing an engine that last longer, functions on less fuel but makes the same or more horsepower... Requires a massive budget for R&D... It actually made racing more expensive to develop such tech as each manufacturer sought to out do each other... Only factories could compete which left private teams even more behind... Hence the CRT then OPEN concessions to allow smaller (or under performing) teams to catch up.

Joeski

April 06, 2015 2:44 AM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


Cheppy:
ar86: Stupid tyre concession.
Stupid fuel concession too. The more you burn the fuel and the more power you get from engine. That's why Ducati has more straight line power than Honda and Yamaha. However, ....because Ducati bike was racing with fuel and Tyres advantage over Honda and Yamaha bikes.
Agreed...factory 2 teams should use same tyres and have same fuel allocation as Factory. But what of the privateer teams? They need the help of more fuel. So if that's agreed then you will have a 3 tier championship again where privateer, factory 2 and factory have different rules. DORNA are trying to go to a main unified rule where one set of agreed concessions are given for those who did not win/podium in any races in the prior season all under the common ECU.

Joeski

April 05, 2015 2:24 AM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


@Grantrd I meant no disrespect bro... I just meant you may not have followed all the stories regarding this topic. We knew they were debating the engine allocation for a while, which has now been decided at 7. We knew last year that the UNIFIED class was directed at the common ECU. We also knew last year that the standard fuel allocation was going to be 22 liters. However, it was announced that the rest is being deliberated. About October last year they announced that the unified rules would still allow concessions for certain teams to compete but at the time, they were debating the engine allocation. So basically, I am not seeing the sudden change you are talking about, and the same manufacturers that you are saying will leave are the ones making the unanimous decision with DORNA..as was also announced.

Joeski

April 04, 2015 7:30 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


@ Grantrd You are only surprised because you have not been following the development. I knew in summer last year that the concessions were not going away (yes I was surprised back then but I understand why now), we just did not know what amendments would be made...like the stupid tyre thing..get rid of it already. KTM will not enter MotoGP if the concessions go away!!! They publicly announced that the concessions were why they were considering to enter and the concessions were the reason Aprilia came back early!! If they are not given the room to develop to catch up Yamaha and Honda (and now Ducati) then they will leave because there is no reason to compete if they do not stand a chance of winning!! The concessions give these new teams the possibility of competing for the top position!! Once they catch up (i.e. meet the criteria) then they will lose it all... but it had to start somewhere...

Joeski

April 04, 2015 7:22 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


grantrd: Yes it is all looking good now joeski I agree , but they keep chopping and changing the rules whenever they feel like it... No one has a clear idea of where the sport is going to go. 2016 was supposed to be a level playing field for everyone but now they have changed their minds again.... You might find ktm will change their minds too considering this... Aprillia might pull the plug as sbk is a whole lot more simple nowadays and return there... They carry on like this and Honda and Yamaha might just pack it in and leave Ducati to it then everyone here will be happy...
No.. because next year Ducati will be on the same rules (well if they achieve the wins this year).If not then it doesn't matter to the top dogs because Yamaha and Honda will still reign supreme meaning they are going nowhere.

Joeski

April 04, 2015 4:54 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


Ducati going OPEN was a shock (yes they announced that they were considering it a week before but at the introduction of the Open concessions it was never a consideration). Honda was correct, that Ducati and Yamaha going OPEN with Forward was never the intent or spirit of the agreement. However, it was not illegal and Yamaha and Ducati were just smarter in this instance whereas Honda went out and built the abominable production racer. In the end however, it was ALL the manufacturers (MSMA) that came together and "agreed" on the necessity and implementation of these concessions... so nobody is trying or going to run away from MotoGP because these concessions... in fact, I see the exact opposite happening. MotoGP is the healthiest it has ever been!! with more manufacturers (i.e. KTM) waiting to come in because of the concessions....

Joeski

April 04, 2015 4:31 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


grantrd: Absolute joke ..... The more successful you are the more you get penalized ... They will chase manufacturers away quicker than they can attract them.... As someone said already, stoner was right... Grand Prix racing is dying, it becoming the nascar of bike racing.....
You make a good point except that the results are the exact opposite of what you claim will happen. Yamaha and Honda have not left....Ducati stayed probably because of the concessions and 2 other manufacturers have joined with KTM committing in 2017. So the concessions do work..whether it agrees with our logic or not

Joeski

April 03, 2015 8:46 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


The underpowered CRT needed the softer tyre and quite possibly the slow a** production Honda of last year. With majority of the field running factory and close to Satellite model bikes the soft tyre needs to go. Again this is a carry over from the CRT that could not make the hard tyre work. Aspar etc are running 2014 factory RCV engines capable of the power needed to make them work. Avintia has 2014 Factory Ducati GP14. I understand why they did the fuel allowance concession, as it is probably the cheapest performance boost to be had and could help the smaller teams but that should only be for privateer teams as a factory, new or not, should be capable without this concession given the unlimited testing and extra engines.

Joeski

April 04, 2015 4:39 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


donuts:
Guna4699:
grantrd: Absolute joke \blockquote] It's not about penalizing the best bikes... It's about allowing slower ones to catch up faster....germs and giving medicine to boost immune system...
Wait omg facepalm.... So motogp is infected with fast factory germs and open bikes are the antibodies or something, who need some vitamins and antibiotics to help fight the germs....insane analogy. No medicine can boost your immune system by the way.
You know what he means...lol maybe he should have said herbs and supplements to boost immune system...point is DORNA cannot and will never please everyone. The concessions were put in place to combat the factory advantage of money and funding to allow less competitive and smaller teams to compete.


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