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Joeski

March 20, 2014 10:46 AM

MotoGP » Final Factory/Open MotoGP line-up revealed


I think that you all are thinking about this way too much! Most people (not die hard race fans) will just see the bikes race not all the rules race!! We on here are all passionate about this, others ... not so much... as MotoGP fans we focus and read every story so we are highly involved and opinionated about this. In the end...we all just want to see racing which we will see and IF Ducati improves because of these "OPEN" concessions it will make the racing "appear" better... at least on track especially with the independent OPEN teams moving closer to the top guys!! In the background the rules will play out and those of us on here will "wage the usual war" of words about what the rules should be etc etc etc but it will make the "RACING" closer an better!! Few years down the road they can adjust to ensure no one has an unfair advantage.

Joeski

March 18, 2014 8:03 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP announces control ECU from 2016


This is a better option than a dang "Factory 2 class" within a class. Some will argue that i tey wi with these concessions then they had an unfair advantage and the win is holllow!! Cannot say that I disagree but we really needed a way forward and a means of increasing competition but DORNA had to appease parties on both sides! OPEN class riders/teams were upset and manufacturers were upset.

Joeski

March 18, 2014 9:19 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP announces control ECU from 2016


Ducati dug themselves into this hole. Why should they be allowed special concessions to dig themselves out???? For the sake of MotoGP and the procession it has become with only 2 factory's capable of winning.... I wish the real world was that Ducati would just come out with this great machine and put it in the mix with the rest but that cannot/has not happened with the current rules...if you fall behind then you are toast with in season development freeze and limited testing.

Joeski

March 18, 2014 9:10 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP announces control ECU from 2016


I still believe the best way forward was just to freeze the standard Software (not the updated complicated Ducati version) with maybe 1 update release (predetermined parameters established with Marelli) mid-season or end of year and leave Ducati in the Open class. That way at least for the first 8 races Ducati would only be able to focus on mechanical performance and forced to work with the standard ECU for these concessions as with all open teams. Their 10 software guys would be of no use since they are not doing jack with the software..so 1 or 2 would suffice versus 10 If they won in OPEN format then the win wouldn't be as hollow because they had a handicap and they would know that it was the improvement of the bike not fancy electronics as with factory class then once they achieve certain wins/podiums they would just be required to move back to factory status.

Joeski

March 15, 2014 6:42 PM

MotoGP » Ducati Open or Factory? The wait continues…


Truefan I want more competition in GP as much as the next guy! BUT what is the sense of Duati turning over its software to all Open teams and only they will be able to use it at first. In essense, they would have never stopped using their FACTORY software BUT are given all the concessions of the OPEN class!! Come on now... I agree 1000% that Ducati made the right move to go to the OPEN class!! They gave up their factory status/software in keeping with the rules and are then given concessions to race in OPEN form! Now they "slid" DORNA/Marelli their software (PS Marelli already had their software as they developed it for Ducati)...Marelli puts it out as an update...NOW Ducati is allowed to keep the very software they sacrificed for OPEN class concessions.... sorry bro!!...they skirted the rules through a loophole (legal maybe,,,,but underhanded!!!)

Joeski

March 15, 2014 1:50 PM

MotoGP » Ducati Open or Factory? The wait continues…


@ Jambop "If Ducati want to move into open class they should be forced to use exactly the same ECU and software as the other teams not start with their own exact specification." The ECU (hardware) was never under debate. All teams, including the factory teams MUST run and DO run the exact same hardware ECU. The only difference is that factory teams can run their own proprietary software. "...forced to use exactly the same ECU and software as the other teams not start with their own exact specification.." They are forced to use the same ECU and are required to use the same software... hence the debate about Marelli's "sudden" complex updated version which is now accepted as Ducati's factory software, which in all fairness is available to all OPEN teams... but this should NOT be allowed since no other OPEN team can use the software yet due to experience!

Joeski

March 15, 2014 2:32 PM

MotoGP » Ducati Open or Factory? The wait continues…


With the poor performance of the Honda production racer (Honda's misinterpretation of the rules) and the success of Yamaha (so far) and possibly Ducati in the open category...this factory 2 rule BS was some appeasal process for Honda! to keep them in the game and supplying the most machines on the grid...too big to fail!" lol Talk all the smack we want about Honda and their monopoly of control...if they left, MotoGP would be worst for it!! Yamaha barely secured title sponsorship (albeit a last minute BIG hail Mary). Ducati is trying to find their way with a "pig" bike and left over CRT's are not cutting it!! Could you all imagine not 1 Honda on the Grid? Truth is DORNA is trying to keep all its customers happy and like any other business they pay a litle more attention to their top customers!! problem is, the fans and the sport suffer when any 1 manufacturer has this much power.

Joeski

March 14, 2014 4:24 PM

MotoGP » Ducati Open or Factory? The wait continues…


@shpongled You are probably right though.... why would they push the issue of making their factory software available to the OPEN class? That move would have negated the whole purpose of allowing them to go OPEN in the first place i.e. Sacrificing factory software for standard software with all the compliments of the OPEN class, tyre, fuel, engines, testing etc! If they are essentially using their factory software with this new update then Honda was wise to question the move!! because neither Yamaha nor Honda has the OPEN advantages using their factory software but in essence Ducati would which would not be sportsman like or fair...although they need every advantage they can get!!!!!!! to catch Honda and Yamaha!!

Joeski

March 15, 2014 1:59 PM

MotoGP » Ducati Open or Factory? The wait continues…


@ Tetley The most probable answer is to show Honda just exactly who sets the Rules and who runs the show. I agree with you in general but if they're showing Honda who sets the rules then why the last minute reaction (knee jerk) to Honda's inquisition and the sudden tabling of "Factory 2" rules? IF (big IF) they were the ones who put this in motion in the first place? It would then seem that Honda is steering this bus! because I have yet to hear Yamaha's take on this. Which is funny because they have 1 foot in and 1 foot out and could probably care less which direction MotoGP goes...because they are ready for it! both ways!

Joeski

March 15, 2014 11:25 AM

MotoGP » Ducati Open or Factory? The wait continues…


I agree with most on here about DORNA's knee jerk reaction with these rules. However I agree something needed to be done if Ducati was just trying to be slick and pull a fast one. Ducati should not be able to run their factory software under the guise of OPEN software by simply sharing it. In effect Ducati would have stayed a factory team BUT still have all the perks of OPEN class. However, this factory2 rule is utter BS...just banned the new updated software as "unfair advantage" until all OPEN Teams are ready to use it (let them continue to run it in the background and testing) but continue with the original agreed upon software at least for 2014. The new upgrade will be beneficial to the OPEN class as it is more advanced and it does not cost anything extra (right now). Hell DORNA could control the parameters of the software just as they do any other mechanical/electronic technical rules which would progressively allow OPEN teams to advance but not dominate with unfair advantage!


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