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Joeski

April 04, 2015 2:04 PM

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GO Kiyo!!! Byrne won last year...and if BSB used standard points system...Byrne would have won also...but anyway...the current BSB system allows for this competition and most certainly we were robbed of a thrilling final encounter.... I like Byrne but I am pulling for Kiyo this year...maybe even Brookes... a different champ would spice things up but mostly I am looking for on track competition not some runaway wins etc....Go BSB!!

Joeski

April 03, 2015 8:30 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


TrueFan: The only reason they need concessions is the relatively recent "engine freeze" rule....which significantly favours the leading manufacturers. I agree with the concessions on the number of engines available, and the engine freeze, but the two tier tyre rule (hard-medium versus medium-soft) is stupid. Likewise having two separate fuel allocations. One step forwards, two steps back...
100% with you on this bro....either bring back the soft tyre as a Q tyre for everyone or get rid of it altogether and everyone races on the same rubber. Let the new manufacturers and teams develop bikes to run standard compounds as used by the whole field.

Joeski

April 05, 2015 2:24 AM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


@Grantrd I meant no disrespect bro... I just meant you may not have followed all the stories regarding this topic. We knew they were debating the engine allocation for a while, which has now been decided at 7. We knew last year that the UNIFIED class was directed at the common ECU. We also knew last year that the standard fuel allocation was going to be 22 liters. However, it was announced that the rest is being deliberated. About October last year they announced that the unified rules would still allow concessions for certain teams to compete but at the time, they were debating the engine allocation. So basically, I am not seeing the sudden change you are talking about, and the same manufacturers that you are saying will leave are the ones making the unanimous decision with DORNA..as was also announced.

Joeski

April 04, 2015 7:30 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


@ Grantrd You are only surprised because you have not been following the development. I knew in summer last year that the concessions were not going away (yes I was surprised back then but I understand why now), we just did not know what amendments would be made...like the stupid tyre thing..get rid of it already. KTM will not enter MotoGP if the concessions go away!!! They publicly announced that the concessions were why they were considering to enter and the concessions were the reason Aprilia came back early!! If they are not given the room to develop to catch up Yamaha and Honda (and now Ducati) then they will leave because there is no reason to compete if they do not stand a chance of winning!! The concessions give these new teams the possibility of competing for the top position!! Once they catch up (i.e. meet the criteria) then they will lose it all... but it had to start somewhere...

Joeski

April 04, 2015 7:22 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


grantrd: Yes it is all looking good now joeski I agree , but they keep chopping and changing the rules whenever they feel like it... No one has a clear idea of where the sport is going to go. 2016 was supposed to be a level playing field for everyone but now they have changed their minds again.... You might find ktm will change their minds too considering this... Aprillia might pull the plug as sbk is a whole lot more simple nowadays and return there... They carry on like this and Honda and Yamaha might just pack it in and leave Ducati to it then everyone here will be happy...
No.. because next year Ducati will be on the same rules (well if they achieve the wins this year).If not then it doesn't matter to the top dogs because Yamaha and Honda will still reign supreme meaning they are going nowhere.

Joeski

April 04, 2015 4:54 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


Ducati going OPEN was a shock (yes they announced that they were considering it a week before but at the introduction of the Open concessions it was never a consideration). Honda was correct, that Ducati and Yamaha going OPEN with Forward was never the intent or spirit of the agreement. However, it was not illegal and Yamaha and Ducati were just smarter in this instance whereas Honda went out and built the abominable production racer. In the end however, it was ALL the manufacturers (MSMA) that came together and "agreed" on the necessity and implementation of these concessions... so nobody is trying or going to run away from MotoGP because these concessions... in fact, I see the exact opposite happening. MotoGP is the healthiest it has ever been!! with more manufacturers (i.e. KTM) waiting to come in because of the concessions....

Joeski

April 04, 2015 4:31 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


grantrd: Absolute joke ..... The more successful you are the more you get penalized ... They will chase manufacturers away quicker than they can attract them.... As someone said already, stoner was right... Grand Prix racing is dying, it becoming the nascar of bike racing.....
You make a good point except that the results are the exact opposite of what you claim will happen. Yamaha and Honda have not left....Ducati stayed probably because of the concessions and 2 other manufacturers have joined with KTM committing in 2017. So the concessions do work..whether it agrees with our logic or not

Joeski

April 03, 2015 8:46 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


The underpowered CRT needed the softer tyre and quite possibly the slow a** production Honda of last year. With majority of the field running factory and close to Satellite model bikes the soft tyre needs to go. Again this is a carry over from the CRT that could not make the hard tyre work. Aspar etc are running 2014 factory RCV engines capable of the power needed to make them work. Avintia has 2014 Factory Ducati GP14. I understand why they did the fuel allowance concession, as it is probably the cheapest performance boost to be had and could help the smaller teams but that should only be for privateer teams as a factory, new or not, should be capable without this concession given the unlimited testing and extra engines.

Joeski

April 04, 2015 4:39 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


donuts:
Guna4699:
grantrd: Absolute joke \blockquote] It's not about penalizing the best bikes... It's about allowing slower ones to catch up faster....germs and giving medicine to boost immune system...
Wait omg facepalm.... So motogp is infected with fast factory germs and open bikes are the antibodies or something, who need some vitamins and antibiotics to help fight the germs....insane analogy. No medicine can boost your immune system by the way.
You know what he means...lol maybe he should have said herbs and supplements to boost immune system...point is DORNA cannot and will never please everyone. The concessions were put in place to combat the factory advantage of money and funding to allow less competitive and smaller teams to compete.

Joeski

April 03, 2015 2:18 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


So there is still an open class??? The name just goes away with the intro of the common ECU for the whole field... Hate to say it but small teams..not just manufacturers, with small budgets need concessions to compete against any full factories... It seems the days of private teams are done..meaning only satellite and factory teams are left competitive. The top 13 in Qatar were only factory and satellite team...Aspar will be lucky to get into the points concessions or not...they need to bring a project like Kenny Robert's had in 2006.... Tech 3 will not give up Yamaha satellite status but they should develop a MotoGP frame with a factory Yamaha engine... These are the kinds of projects that I miss from motogp..but hey the racing is good now and we take it one step at a time.....


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