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Joeski

April 01, 2015 7:33 PM

MotoGP » Dovizioso: Ducati has done an amazing job


Realist:
Joeski: this new bike has no relation to anything Rossi did...
I agree with your points except for this one. The relation is...........the existence of a frame. That came about during Rossi's tenure because of his high profile status and ability to usher in change. To say that any GP14 iteration didn't have a little "Rossi" in it is just inaccurate. That cannot be denied. Other than that, yeah...I agree. Rossi had nothing to do with this bike.
Much respect Realist....Rossi pushed and got the change to the aluminum frame. However he never fixed the main problem...Ducati approach and mentality...the frame made no change in Valentino's relative finishing position in races and many argued that the change was not worth it. The GP13 may have had input from Rossi as 2012 was his last year but the GP14 was a different bike...aluminum frame is not a Rossi copyright....

Joeski

April 01, 2015 3:15 PM

MotoGP » Dovizioso: Ducati has done an amazing job


To my fellow Rossi fans...please stop making us look like a bunch of idiots. When Rossi returned to Yamaha in 2013 and struggled after 2 years away we all argued that the bike was built for Lorenzo not for Rossi, which I totally agreed with...why would Yamaha build a bike to suit Rossi when he was at Ducati??? BUT now that Rossi has left Ducati (over 2 years) some of us are actually arguing that Rossi was the precursor of this new GP15... this new bike has no relation to anything Rossi did...his input of over 2 years ago would have been irrelevant to the 2014 bike...in all aspects, as he had been gone for over a year at that point and Ducati built a bike based on its then current riders...Dovi and Nicky. Yes they stayed with the aluminum chassis but that was probably more of a commitment thing than a Rossi thing...they had already spent money and effort on this aluminum chassis and decided it was the better way to go for now. Rossi has no credit with the GP15.. PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!!!!

Joeski

April 01, 2015 3:03 PM

MotoGP » Dovizioso: Ducati has done an amazing job


BouncingBewbs: Ducati wouldn't be where they are without Rossi's development of the Desmo. He and Burgess set in motion another competitive machine. The same they did with the RC211V and M1.
As a Rossi fan I am inclined to argue against your point as it makes us all look a bit stupid. Rossi was influential in the 2011 chassis decision to go aluminum. This new GP15 has nothing to do with Rossi and was built upon the 2014 machinewhich in turn was more than a year after Rossi left, by a completely new engineer who used Ducati's current riders as sole input in his decisions to engineer the GP15. GiGi history is with aluminum chassis so he would not have needed Rossi's input on developing the GP15. Also Ducati already had a bike built for 2014 when GiGi arrived so he developed from that base and created a whole new motorcycle..Rossi excluded!!!

Joeski

April 03, 2015 6:14 AM

MotoGP » Dovi tempted by title thoughts, reality '5-6 races'


Losing the fuel concession was never an issue for GiGi...I believe he is neither here nor there on the softer tyre concession either...GiGi wants and needs to win now...so he is more than willing to concede the softer tyre if he wins the required 3 dry races...I do not think he is dying to get the hard tyre though because it seems that last year the other factory teams only used it in about 2 races....hence Rossi's comments...besides this new Ducati seems to handle the tyres well anyway...so for the other factories, Ducati having the softer option is problematic and GiGi wants to win which will mean he loses it.... Noticed that Dovi never used the softer option until the last day of testing just to fine tune it for the race... Ducati did not build this bike around that soft tyre...it is just a plus for now...the head start they will have for next year with unlimited testing this year is what concerns me.. I am happy for them but I want competition not a massacre next year...

Joeski

April 02, 2015 3:10 PM

MotoGP » Pedrosa to undergo surgery, out for two races


Good luck and I believe Dani will be back, I only hope the surgery fully solves his issues.... I know we knock Aoyoma but the dude was a full time racer a mere 5 months ago... so why would he not be competitive...and by competitive, I mean top 10... he has been testing the bike but not to set it up for himself etc probably durability, electronics or other mechanical solutions...not turning the bike in anger and risk crashing etc... so this would be a whole new thing for him on the Repsol for a race (yes he raced a repsol about 4 years go...not the same bike it is now) and he would need to get up to speed.. but on a good bike this guy can do good... we will see... of course it is a Repsol so if he does not get a top 4 or 5 everyone here will slate him even though he has not had much race prep time besides his testing duties!! Although the same "fans" were ok with Rea doing 7th on the Repsol..with a less competitive field...

Joeski

April 02, 2015 11:28 AM

MotoGP » Dovi tempted by title thoughts, reality '5-6 races'


Even though GiGi has 12 engines for the season...I would be a bit more worried if I was the other manufacturers. IMO, Gigi knows that the concessions would not last and he is expecting those wins to happen this year...I think he is ready to let go of the softer tyre....what is intriguing me..seeing how he already thinks...he had the bikes working on 22 liters all last year already even before the concession sacrifice was not until he achieved a certain amount of podiums. My big question is does he already have the engines capable of lasting in accordance with the factory rules already...I am sure he will excercise the option of 12 but he must be thinking about next year already where the rules will change from 12 engines to about 6 or 8, I believe.... This can be dangerous because if so IMO.. Ducati will cake walk the title next year....having unlimited testing this year to be ready for next.....Michelin might be the only issue...

Joeski

April 02, 2015 3:26 PM

MotoGP » Pedrosa to undergo surgery, out for two races


PS...I think J. Rea did a good job a few years back but he was on 1 of 4 bikes that could conceivably win...Aoyoma will be on 1 of 6 bikes that could conceivably win... also...the Satellite Honda of Cal is closer to the front and both Tech 3's are competitive...as it is the beginning of the season...we have all agreed and read on here that at the first few races the satellite Yamahas are almost on equal footing with the factory...point is that if Rea finished 7th in his Honda debut with little testing and track knowledge which was acceptable then a more competitive field (at the beginning of the year) and more bikes capable of being at the front, then a top 10 for Aoyoma should be acceptable and is comparable to what Rea did 4 years ago with little or no competition on track, considering Aoyoma never had the pre season like others and the bike is not set up for him (just like Rea).... Truthfully, I expect more from him but 10th is not a failure in this field! If he was full time then i

Joeski

April 02, 2015 11:18 AM

MotoGP » Dovi tempted by title thoughts, reality '5-6 races'


Codger: Out of the top 3 manufacturers the Ducati has the potential for more development than the other two. The ducati will only get better, and when the two riders get their bikes dialled in they will be in contention at all the tracks. Dovi is a classy rider and has a habit of beating his team mates and long may that continue. As usual, the stupid Quallifying rules influenced the race but, in this instance, I believe the two Ducs would still have been on the podium.
Yes the Ducati is new, but I do not believe it is the potential for development that will or can make them win but the opportunity...Honda and Yamaha are restricted from engine developments, testing and only allowed 5 engines for the year. Dovi is good rider and he has shown that given a top bike he can fight for the top..Iannone will be a threat in the near future...this is his first proper attempt and on a top bike...

Joeski

April 01, 2015 7:48 PM

MotoGP » Dovizioso: Ducati has done an amazing job


@Realist....... The direction of the GP14 was more input from Hayden and Dovi... Rossi convincing Ducati to use aluminum frame for 2012 and while that was a big change due to his input and recommendation, Rossi's data and any other information would have been obsolete for 2014 (plus all new riders that would not have been able to use his settings etc) which was a new bike built around Dovi and info from Hayden. The reason, I say this is because I find the comparison much akin to saying the 2013 Yamaha was built from Rossi's data of 2010...if it was, then why did he struggle so much while Jorge dominated...IMO the 2014 Ducati had moved on long past Rossi's input and GiGi already had changes planned for the GP14 but just needed to confirm the information based on the current riders...hence the GP14.1 and then GP14.2 and finally GP14.3. Rossi was no longer a thought at Ducati in 2014..Except to not repeat the failures of the past.


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