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Joeski

April 01, 2015 7:33 PM

MotoGP » Dovizioso: Ducati has done an amazing job


Realist:
Joeski: this new bike has no relation to anything Rossi did...
I agree with your points except for this one. The relation is...........the existence of a frame. That came about during Rossi's tenure because of his high profile status and ability to usher in change. To say that any GP14 iteration didn't have a little "Rossi" in it is just inaccurate. That cannot be denied. Other than that, yeah...I agree. Rossi had nothing to do with this bike.
Much respect Realist....Rossi pushed and got the change to the aluminum frame. However he never fixed the main problem...Ducati approach and mentality...the frame made no change in Valentino's relative finishing position in races and many argued that the change was not worth it. The GP13 may have had input from Rossi as 2012 was his last year but the GP14 was a different bike...aluminum frame is not a Rossi copyright....

Joeski

April 01, 2015 3:15 PM

MotoGP » Dovizioso: Ducati has done an amazing job


To my fellow Rossi fans...please stop making us look like a bunch of idiots. When Rossi returned to Yamaha in 2013 and struggled after 2 years away we all argued that the bike was built for Lorenzo not for Rossi, which I totally agreed with...why would Yamaha build a bike to suit Rossi when he was at Ducati??? BUT now that Rossi has left Ducati (over 2 years) some of us are actually arguing that Rossi was the precursor of this new GP15... this new bike has no relation to anything Rossi did...his input of over 2 years ago would have been irrelevant to the 2014 bike...in all aspects, as he had been gone for over a year at that point and Ducati built a bike based on its then current riders...Dovi and Nicky. Yes they stayed with the aluminum chassis but that was probably more of a commitment thing than a Rossi thing...they had already spent money and effort on this aluminum chassis and decided it was the better way to go for now. Rossi has no credit with the GP15.. PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!!!!

Joeski

April 01, 2015 3:03 PM

MotoGP » Dovizioso: Ducati has done an amazing job


BouncingBewbs: Ducati wouldn't be where they are without Rossi's development of the Desmo. He and Burgess set in motion another competitive machine. The same they did with the RC211V and M1.
As a Rossi fan I am inclined to argue against your point as it makes us all look a bit stupid. Rossi was influential in the 2011 chassis decision to go aluminum. This new GP15 has nothing to do with Rossi and was built upon the 2014 machinewhich in turn was more than a year after Rossi left, by a completely new engineer who used Ducati's current riders as sole input in his decisions to engineer the GP15. GiGi history is with aluminum chassis so he would not have needed Rossi's input on developing the GP15. Also Ducati already had a bike built for 2014 when GiGi arrived so he developed from that base and created a whole new motorcycle..Rossi excluded!!!

Joeski

April 01, 2015 7:48 PM

MotoGP » Dovizioso: Ducati has done an amazing job


@Realist....... The direction of the GP14 was more input from Hayden and Dovi... Rossi convincing Ducati to use aluminum frame for 2012 and while that was a big change due to his input and recommendation, Rossi's data and any other information would have been obsolete for 2014 (plus all new riders that would not have been able to use his settings etc) which was a new bike built around Dovi and info from Hayden. The reason, I say this is because I find the comparison much akin to saying the 2013 Yamaha was built from Rossi's data of 2010...if it was, then why did he struggle so much while Jorge dominated...IMO the 2014 Ducati had moved on long past Rossi's input and GiGi already had changes planned for the GP14 but just needed to confirm the information based on the current riders...hence the GP14.1 and then GP14.2 and finally GP14.3. Rossi was no longer a thought at Ducati in 2014..Except to not repeat the failures of the past.

Joeski

April 01, 2015 2:30 PM

MotoGP » Qatar podiums mean Ducati race fuel reduced


You must also be fair in your assessment. The OPEN rules were intended for smaller independent/private teams that all the MSMA agreed on. GiGi came to the fold after the fact, at the end of 2013, he read the rules and realized that in order to compete against Yamaha and Honda he needed unlimited testing, in the season to develop which only the OPEN rules allowed. So Ducati, who also initially voted on the Open rules were never initially considering the move...it was GiGi that took them in a different direction. Likewise Honda and Yamaha were not even considering it because it was a rule for private teams, at least this was the intent but that was not specified in black and white print! so Ducati could exercise the option legally.. then came the scramble to create the factory 2 class as there was concern among the Factory teams and I would say more so for the private OPEN teams who expressed concern of a Factory using the concessions.. how could they compete???

Joeski

April 01, 2015 2:00 PM

MotoGP » Qatar podiums mean Ducati race fuel reduced


999666GP15:
Vilas46: Its a joke... Like i told Ducati have Future in Motogp
Did you know Honda and Yamaha had the option to run Open Class with their official teams and both factories rejected? If you knew that your comment makes no sense and if you didn't knew it it continues making no sense. cheers. It's all about risk/reward and Ducati was the only factory which chose to go Open class.
The initial rules provided the option but Ducati shocked the paddock by opting for these OPEN class concessions as a factory team. The intent was to replace the CRT but the loophole gave everyone the option. HOWEVER!! the final rules of Factory 2 did NOT allow Honda or Yamaha to compete in Open class because to qualify for factory 2, you must NOT have had ANY wins in the 2013 season!!!!!

Joeski

April 01, 2015 2:45 PM

MotoGP » Qatar podiums mean Ducati race fuel reduced


Yamaha look to the future and realized this 2016 change was coming and saw opportunity to advanced the agenda by gathering data on the standard ECU and engine by helping Forward, bearing in mind Yamaha was only to provide FWD with an engine initially. Yamaha helped out FWD because of a slow delivery timeline of a certain chassis, and gave them a chassis to start the season.. which we all know was the old Tech3 bikes now under Open rules which some argued violated the spirit of the OPEN class concessions.. mostly Honda but also many other private teams. Anyway...the final verdict is that Yam and Hon were not allowed to compete under the Factory 2 rules (see 2013 criteria) created last minute to accommodate Ducati's struggling effort but opportunity to invite and help new factories...it worked... Aprilia decided because of the Factory 2 rules, to bring their effort forward by a year and Ducati is competitive.

Joeski

March 31, 2015 9:36 PM

MotoGP » Helmet issue 'cost Lorenzo chance of victory'


Realist:
Joeski: So you are saying riding a motorcycle at 220mph/355kph with JL's .............\blockquote] It was a loose analogy. Relax! JL's "excuse" has already been refuted by the ACTUAL lap times. He wasn't losing .5 seconds a lap at all. Guna broke it down, .....then report back.
I got it!!! but I really do not need to see the lap time breakdown...if it was any less than .5 (which I know and that was also used loosely) meant I am even MORE surprised and impressed he was able to keep that pace at the top of this field in the fastest 2 wheeled sport on earth with the best riders on earth as well..... PS ur analogy was too loose to compare...and I am relaxed because I took the former DOUBLE world champion at his word!! BTW I am a huge Rossi fan and glad he won and hope he gets his 10th title this year!

Joeski

March 31, 2015 9:11 PM

MotoGP » Helmet issue 'cost Lorenzo chance of victory'


Realist:
therealDave: I have ridden with a fogged up visor and it was hard to see......
I'd say a fogged visor is quite different.............wouldn't you? Lorenzo's issue was akin to driving your car with your sun visors down. An irritant (if they are down unintentionally), but they won't impair your driving that much....if at all. A foggy windshield, however, is a very different beast.
So you are saying riding a motorcycle at 220mph/355kph with JL's helmet issue is similar to driving your car around town with the visor down?????? Really???? that is what you are saying?? OK..no prob...what I am saying is, I am surprised it only affected him by .5 second per lap and not more... He led and fought for the lead for most of the race...how do you explain his drop in pace if it was NOT due to tyre issues????? Maybe he lost talent and ability in the last 4 laps? Fitness? not after Malaysia where he did the most work to disprove that!!!

Joeski

March 31, 2015 9:44 PM

MotoGP » Helmet issue 'cost Lorenzo chance of victory'


Bro...My issue is the distain JL gets for giving his reason for his faltered challenge. He said he could challenge for the win not that he would outright win it!!! He did not discredit Rossi's win or any other rider on the podium. Just as MM did not say he would definitively win and beat Rossi...just that had they not had their own personal issue during the race they believe that they could have "challenged (being the key word)" for the win. With .174 separating first and second...3rd place would have also been considered a challenge if it was .175....point is, the rider believed and proved his worth in the race by leading and challenging for the lead for most of the race. His drop in pace is not explained by tyre wear nor lack of fitness... He told us the issue...why is it hard to believe him?... if this thread was about why Bautista could not challenging for the win because of a helmet issue...I would totally get it...but this is a double world champion who we know can and has won ra


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