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Joeski

April 03, 2015 2:05 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


"But most surprising is the amount of technical concessions still available to manufacturers without a race win." Not sure this surprised me...these concessions are what attracted new manufacturers and with KTM on the horizon it would have been necessary to have this in place to encourage participation...plus we have seen what happens under single rules... Top manufacturers with funding escape at the front and we will have a repeat of 2011 to 2015 or some may even say 2008 to present where Ducati started to fall back. In other words it may be the necessary evil that keep the scales balance and encourage true competition...on track.. Consider it an offset to combat the big money firms. Thoughts??

Joeski

April 04, 2015 2:04 PM

BSB » Kiyonari: Buildbase BMW starting on a high


GO Kiyo!!! Byrne won last year...and if BSB used standard points system...Byrne would have won also...but anyway...the current BSB system allows for this competition and most certainly we were robbed of a thrilling final encounter.... I like Byrne but I am pulling for Kiyo this year...maybe even Brookes... a different champ would spice things up but mostly I am looking for on track competition not some runaway wins etc....Go BSB!!

Joeski

April 03, 2015 1:51 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


“In 2016 a manufacturer achieving six concession points in dry or wet conditions will immediately lose the right to test with contracted riders and will lose all concessions from the following season." Not sure if I agree with this part...some years there are just many wet races. Wet podiums does not necessarily mean development breakthrough or progress...but I would agree that dry podiums are more of a true or valid sign of improvements in the machine allowing the rider the opportunity to challenge at the front...so I believe it should just be based on dry podiums.

Joeski

April 03, 2015 8:30 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


TrueFan: The only reason they need concessions is the relatively recent "engine freeze" rule....which significantly favours the leading manufacturers. I agree with the concessions on the number of engines available, and the engine freeze, but the two tier tyre rule (hard-medium versus medium-soft) is stupid. Likewise having two separate fuel allocations. One step forwards, two steps back...
100% with you on this bro....either bring back the soft tyre as a Q tyre for everyone or get rid of it altogether and everyone races on the same rubber. Let the new manufacturers and teams develop bikes to run standard compounds as used by the whole field.

Joeski

April 04, 2015 4:54 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


Ducati going OPEN was a shock (yes they announced that they were considering it a week before but at the introduction of the Open concessions it was never a consideration). Honda was correct, that Ducati and Yamaha going OPEN with Forward was never the intent or spirit of the agreement. However, it was not illegal and Yamaha and Ducati were just smarter in this instance whereas Honda went out and built the abominable production racer. In the end however, it was ALL the manufacturers (MSMA) that came together and "agreed" on the necessity and implementation of these concessions... so nobody is trying or going to run away from MotoGP because these concessions... in fact, I see the exact opposite happening. MotoGP is the healthiest it has ever been!! with more manufacturers (i.e. KTM) waiting to come in because of the concessions....

Joeski

April 04, 2015 4:31 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


grantrd: Absolute joke ..... The more successful you are the more you get penalized ... They will chase manufacturers away quicker than they can attract them.... As someone said already, stoner was right... Grand Prix racing is dying, it becoming the nascar of bike racing.....
You make a good point except that the results are the exact opposite of what you claim will happen. Yamaha and Honda have not left....Ducati stayed probably because of the concessions and 2 other manufacturers have joined with KTM committing in 2017. So the concessions do work..whether it agrees with our logic or not

Joeski

April 03, 2015 8:46 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


The underpowered CRT needed the softer tyre and quite possibly the slow a** production Honda of last year. With majority of the field running factory and close to Satellite model bikes the soft tyre needs to go. Again this is a carry over from the CRT that could not make the hard tyre work. Aspar etc are running 2014 factory RCV engines capable of the power needed to make them work. Avintia has 2014 Factory Ducati GP14. I understand why they did the fuel allowance concession, as it is probably the cheapest performance boost to be had and could help the smaller teams but that should only be for privateer teams as a factory, new or not, should be capable without this concession given the unlimited testing and extra engines.

Joeski

April 04, 2015 4:39 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


donuts:
Guna4699:
grantrd: Absolute joke \blockquote] It's not about penalizing the best bikes... It's about allowing slower ones to catch up faster....germs and giving medicine to boost immune system...
Wait omg facepalm.... So motogp is infected with fast factory germs and open bikes are the antibodies or something, who need some vitamins and antibiotics to help fight the germs....insane analogy. No medicine can boost your immune system by the way.
You know what he means...lol maybe he should have said herbs and supplements to boost immune system...point is DORNA cannot and will never please everyone. The concessions were put in place to combat the factory advantage of money and funding to allow less competitive and smaller teams to compete.

Joeski

April 03, 2015 2:18 PM

MotoGP » ‘Concessions’ continue in MotoGP 2016


So there is still an open class??? The name just goes away with the intro of the common ECU for the whole field... Hate to say it but small teams..not just manufacturers, with small budgets need concessions to compete against any full factories... It seems the days of private teams are done..meaning only satellite and factory teams are left competitive. The top 13 in Qatar were only factory and satellite team...Aspar will be lucky to get into the points concessions or not...they need to bring a project like Kenny Robert's had in 2006.... Tech 3 will not give up Yamaha satellite status but they should develop a MotoGP frame with a factory Yamaha engine... These are the kinds of projects that I miss from motogp..but hey the racing is good now and we take it one step at a time.....

Joeski

April 03, 2015 6:14 AM

MotoGP » Dovi tempted by title thoughts, reality '5-6 races'


Losing the fuel concession was never an issue for GiGi...I believe he is neither here nor there on the softer tyre concession either...GiGi wants and needs to win now...so he is more than willing to concede the softer tyre if he wins the required 3 dry races...I do not think he is dying to get the hard tyre though because it seems that last year the other factory teams only used it in about 2 races....hence Rossi's comments...besides this new Ducati seems to handle the tyres well anyway...so for the other factories, Ducati having the softer option is problematic and GiGi wants to win which will mean he loses it.... Noticed that Dovi never used the softer option until the last day of testing just to fine tune it for the race... Ducati did not build this bike around that soft tyre...it is just a plus for now...the head start they will have for next year with unlimited testing this year is what concerns me.. I am happy for them but I want competition not a massacre next year...


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