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Joeski

March 03, 2015 3:55 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: New Ducati ‘fast’, tyre rule ‘unfair’


Brain:
Joeski:
EmmBee1964: .
A few factory riders had access to a generic SNS. Sometimes it suited them, sometimes it didnt. Only Rossi had tires specifically made just for him . No, it wasnt illegal or even a secret, but it was most certainly unfair.
Rossi was not the only one to receive "overnight specials" he was the most successful and popular rider to receive them but certainly not the only one. Rossi was also Michelin's main representative rider so Michelin developed tyres based mostly on Rossi's input and direction, that is why Colin Edwards later commented that those tyres did not suit many other riders. So now its a Rossi conspiracy.. what happened to Honda? I mean Rossi did leave Honda and still won correct?

Joeski

March 03, 2015 4:04 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: New Ducati ‘fast’, tyre rule ‘unfair’


EmmBee1964 100% wrong. Vale got a tyre made specifically for him from his Sat data that was flown to wherever he was. This is a known fact. No other riders got" Well make up ur mind...didn't a bunch of riders (Colin Edwards for sure) say they didn't like Rossi tyres as they did not work for them... so Michelin should have taken tyres that works only for Rossi and give them to other riders? Doesn't make sense to me... I think you are trying to say nobody else got overnight specials which is a complete lie or like you said 100% wrong!!!

Joeski

March 04, 2015 12:15 PM

MotoGP » Michelin: ‘Elbow’ style to stay in 2016


People may laugh but didn't Toni Elias used to have this extreme hang off style and frequently dragged his elbows...truthfully I thought this style would hamper MM (well just a little) as it did Toni.... i.e. not getting enough heat into the rear tyre... I have not done a close analysis of course but Toni probably hung off too much forward over the front which made the rear too light...MM seems more centered but his hang time seems extreme with his popular elbows down technique... MM is not the first to do elbows down by a long shot... I think even in 2007... I saw a shot of an AMA racer on a 600 at Laguna Seca (turn 9) burying his elbow..pretty impressive!!..point is this was when MM was about 12 years old and I am sure this was being done long before as the Jean Phillipe pic shows... I forgot about that dude...always liked him too...

Joeski

March 03, 2015 10:10 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: New Ducati ‘fast’, tyre rule ‘unfair’


Joking or not..it seem to me that Vale was not following/did not care (until now) about Open rules and concessions.. instead he seemed more focus on beating MM and JL etc. Now toss an "advantaged" Ducati in the mix and that makes the job at hand more difficult...great for the fans!!! but it becomes a larger hurdle or roadblock for the rider...same as any sport...no boxer wants to go 10 brutal and brain damaging rounds!! although great viewing for the fans...They would rather knock the guy out in the first! but they know this is not always possible and will fight once the gloves go on....

Joeski

March 03, 2015 7:28 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: New Ducati ‘fast’, tyre rule ‘unfair’


Notice that the same can be said for anyone who wins/won the title?....? The Bridgestones were an overall better tire, but the M1 was an overall superior bike to the Ducati. It still came down to who was riding the Ducati... Not true, even the documentary acknowledge that Ducati caught the Japanese snoozing and came with a faster more powerful bike. Yes it lack some refinement but Yamaha and Honda did not catch up until about last half maybe last quarter of the season. Casey made a big difference but the advantage was to the more powerful and faster Ducati. See the race in China and Qatar... Rossi could not keep up on any straight, fought as he might in the corners, he was a beaten man on every straight at almost all tracks except towards the last quarter when it seems Yamaha made some gains in speed.

Joeski

March 03, 2015 3:22 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: New Ducati ‘fast’, tyre rule ‘unfair’


EmmBee1964: It's funny how Vale didn't think it was unfair that Michelin took his info from Saturday qualifying, made a tyre for the race and flew it out to him overnight during his peak. Rules are always unfair if they do not suit you. ** Huge VR46 fan here before people start.
Because the same was being done for many other riders not only Vale and was perfectly legal back then.....it was not a secret as people seem to make it out....this was how Michelin conducted business back then...Bridgestones could not do it logistically and found another way....it took some years but eventually they made it!!

Joeski

March 03, 2015 3:43 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: New Ducati ‘fast’, tyre rule ‘unfair’


Brain:
Codger:
Its not that what Rossi is saying is wrong, its just the hypocrisy that drips from anything he says about fairness. The guy was made a legend with unfair advantages.
Notice that the same can be said for anyone who wins/won the title?...except Nicky Hayden...Talk about Stoner's title and 50:1 will say he was on the best tyres (Bstones) and the Ducati was the fastest bike... advantages? Same for MM, same for Doohan, same for everyone else... funny isn't it?

Joeski

March 03, 2015 7:18 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: New Ducati ‘fast’, tyre rule ‘unfair’


TrueFan:
Joeski:
... Rossi was also Michelin's main representative rider so Michelin developed tyres based mostly on Rossi's input and direction, that is why Colin Edwards later commented that those tyres did not suit many other riders. ...
And by 2008, they apparently didn't even suit Rossi...or maybe he wasn't very good at "developing them". :)That was just too tempting... Je Suis Charlie! TBH ..2007-8 was the same time Michelin's way of doing business was thrown into disarray...they were no longer allowed to bring overnight solutions to the track...something Bstones never did and spent 6 years perfecting their tyre building technique of a more wider range operating tyre. Michelin failed in comparison to BStones but given time they would have adapted..Vale and co. just could not wait until then...races and titles had to be won in the meantime!! and they could not let BStones riders run away with it...

Joeski

March 03, 2015 3:30 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: New Ducati ‘fast’, tyre rule ‘unfair’


RaceRoad:
EmmBee1964: It's funny how Vale didn't think it was unfair that Michelin took his info from Saturday qualifying, made a tyre for the race and flew it out to him overnight during his peak. Rules are always unfair if they do not suit you. ** Huge VR46 fan here before people start.
So strange that a huge VR fan doesnt know what happen back then. as was stated many times befor was that every rider could chose a tyre they desire from michelin. VR like another tire then the most riders and got that tire just like all the riders got the tire they wanted.! Dont akt like a fool and say i didnt know that as a huge VR fan. the riders didnt like the tire rossi had and chose the other one.!! in that time everybuddy got what they liked. also didnt rossi lose races on the tire he liked??
not everyone got what they wanted but maybe the top 5- 8 did...but riders were not as limited as in the control tire era so had more choices and more ti

Joeski

March 02, 2015 1:19 PM

WSBK » Rea 'couldn't have asked' for better weekend


"I believe this could be the make or break year for johnny and getting off to such a good start is very promising." Not sure I buy into the make or break deal...probably for the fans it is, but Johnny will have this ride next year even if 2015 falls apart... if he is 3rd or better he will still be in good stead for 2016, Kawasaki will not let him go solely on 2015 because they know his potential.. With that said, I expect he will have a stellar year and hope he is in shout of the championship(or straight up wins it) because maybe then Honda will see that they held him back for years!! and the rumors of his title talents will be proven. VD Mark is doing well though considering but it is only 1/2 race so I will reserve judgment on future proceedings....good show JR at PI!!


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