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Joeski

March 04, 2014 5:53 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


HRC..."I didn't say what Aleix has ATM is inferior, but how long do you think that would last if he started regularly beating JL and VR on the works bikes?" Well if they already decided on the 5 engines for Forward..I do not think they could do much except make updates to the factory bike and hope that is enough to overcome Aleix...IMHO If that doesn't work then they would just sign him to tech 3 in place of Bradley Smith as a Yamaha factory paid rider.... That is my honest opinion...if you are suggesting they would detune Aleix's motor, I do not agree...If anything that would motivate them to go OPEN class!! They would have all the data they need from Aleix and then he would not be able to hold on to them after that!

Joeski

March 04, 2014 8:27 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


@ Chopper51 What loopholes???? They have operated in the rules and made a decision within the rules.... it is too bad Honda MISINTERPRETTED the rules and wasted millions on a production racer barely capable of 14th place with controlled software. If Honda had done what Yamaha or ducati is doing...at least with their satellite bikes they could be running MM's/DP 2013 championship bike with a satellite team using controlled ECU and all the advantages of the OPEN class and dominated!!! the bike was already built!! no more additional cost except for support and supply of new engines but they never thought of it so now they are back pedalling on a bad or poorly informed decision of a production racer!! Please stop making me point out the obvious because in reality I like Honda just that even I can see they goofed and their proddy racer will be behind the top OPEN bikes! Next year might be different with development time!

Joeski

March 04, 2014 6:12 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


You know what...the more we discuss this the more I like the OPEN class. Isn't this what we have wanted for years???!!!! a control of the electronics and more about the mechanical performance??? It seems to me this is what is happening and all of us on here have argued for this in the past when electronics was becoming too invasive!!! With a controlled ECU and program...now manufacturers can go back to mechanicl performance while Marelli focus on the electronics at a equal "subdued/controlled" cost for all!!! I think the problem is Honda has its OTC products tied more to the electronic performance and need/want MotoGP as a platform for this. For the manaufacturers OPEN is a step back to a time when focus was solely on mechanical performance. But technically they can still use MotoGP for mechanical development but this is not in line with HONDA goals...

Joeski

March 04, 2014 9:29 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


therealDave: Couple of points, Regardless of the facts, it does look like a dummy spit from Honda. If the ecu is basically Ducatis anyway, then it is simply the different tyres! They are now on pace (over one lap) consistently over the last 3 days of testing (1xsepang and 2xPI).
I agree with you about Honda having a little fit....but I do not believe its the tyres making the big difference.. first of all Ducati/Dovi did not use the OPEN bike for the fast time at Sepang...he used the "Factory" GP14...also they never tried the soft tire with the OPEN bike, which is the only different rubber for the OPEN class!! Historically Ducati also have always done relatively well at PI...NIcky HAyden...not Stoner held the lap record there for Ducati until 2012 (almost 4 years) until Stoner on Honda broke it. So this test is not indicative because we cannot do a proper comparison as teams were testing varying constructions and rubber and there is no coherent/equal data

Joeski

March 04, 2014 6:25 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


So ok...after all that bashing or argument against Honda...I must say I do not want them to leave... I like Honda, MotoGP will be worse off without them...just do not agree with them on this issue!! Starting to think that DORNA is doing what we have asked for years...free up fuel constraints (this is racing not Prius building), relax the constraints on motors (within reason for cost purposes)... I do not want a rider to crash/damage a motor and then have to start at the back of grid because he needs to use a new motor and have more testing so teams can play catch up more effectively during a season (again within reason to keep cost somewhat controlled) I must be convincing myself because this all seems closer to prototype racing than all the restictions we had before!!! Just get rid of controlled tyres and we can really call this OPEN class!!! All these positive trades for an ECU and software seems we should all support this!!! We have all asked for this in the past!! CONTROL or mini

Joeski

March 04, 2014 7:18 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


HRC At the start of each year, the yamahas are all the same...Bradley ad Pol are now getting the seemless transmission that the factory pressed for last year! and they have a 2014 spec Yamaha (and the data) which was used somewhat early last year to bridge the gap to Honda. PS. CAl Crutchlows issue last year was that he got the updates he wanted but realized that it did not give him the performance he thought...in fact it was the opposite. Cal said that he wanted yamaha to give him Bradley's bike because Bradley was running the old spec that worked for him!!! but he was on the newer spec that did not work for him!! Funny enough, Bradley wanted the spec Cal had...the same spec that he ran at Valencia test to 2nd behind MArc!! Proving the bike is competitive and NOT 2nd tier!!! Why they did not switch? ...that I cannot explain but it has something to do with contractual obligation agreed by CAL who is/was a factory paid rider and Bradley was not!!


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