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RSMick

February 07, 2014 4:31 PM
Last Edited 67 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Garcia Its simple really, they are not going to match the factory bikes, you also cannot expect customers to pay 3m for a leased unit and a 1.2m unit be better. Its like you buying an M3 and a 335 blasting past you on the straight. Whoever you believe is your perogative, Redding says it lacks punch out of the corners and they are working on that, Nakamoto says and he is probably right (on motogp.com video) that the Honda needs time to setup. He may end up looking silly after everything he said about the ART, but so might Hayden, theres a reason he is not on a factory bike.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 2:36 PM
Last Edited 69 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Mike G The rules you talk about, fuel limits, 800cc, low engine limits have all been requested by the MSMA, typically Honda and Yamaha have played ball so Ducati had to. Why do think the Dorna rules "Open" have 12 engines and 24 litres and open engine developement, and went back to 1000? Thats how they want it to be. The spec ECU and spec software will have what you all dream of on here, Dorna will control over how much TC and rider aids are used. Garcia. Do you think Honda would just sell last years bike containing all that technology for anyone to buy and copy? Forward like Tech3 are not allowed to touch the engines, part of most lease deals you can get. Yamaha stopped selling their YZR engines because teams were making copy parts, a very famous tuner for one, and that was not part of the deal.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 1:04 PM
Last Edited 69 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Garcia, that was on here, nuff said. It was the most talked about subject after the conference yesterday, they stated in the conference it was Akiyoshi that got within 0.3 seonds of his factory time. Journalists mis-quoted Nakamoto. Realfan, when did you last see a non factory bike win WSB 1989? Fred Merkel. Look at the difference there between the R's RR's and RRR's.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 12:44 PM
Last Edited 69 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Codger Its quite simple there are 2 rules as you know, Factory: use Spec ECU and your own software, 5 engines and 20 litres, engine developement freeze from the first race. Open: Spec ECU and Spec software use 12 engines, 24 litres and get a softspec rear tyre, open engine developement. Everyone knew the rules, Honda and Yamaha requested the 20 litres. NOBODY is having a go at Ducati for Hernandez's bike which is last years factory bike with spec software, then again he is not beating them. It was obvious why Dorna made this rule as I stated months ago, which the MSMA agreed to, to get a private team doing the engine developement for the factory and Yamaha and Ducati jumped right at it, Honda didn't, however I see Nakamoto's point as Dorna have always been against leasing, but the Forward bike will soon be an FTR chassis. Remember the 90's Yamaha and Honda worked in the same manner, with Yamaha's first test bed customer being Millar.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 3:15 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Ha Codger, the rules, they can't be much simplier, its not like we have multiple cc, multiple weights, multiple air tracts etc. Marelli and Cecchinelli had some interesting things to say on the last Off Season show, about the spec ECU and how all the manufacturers have requested things from the ECU and the private teams as well. Marelli says this is helping them and Cecchinelli says they will take them on board and things that will help they will use others will get thrown in the bin. I agree there is no reason why the manufacturers should share the info they invest in, thats why they introduced the 2 tier system, keep your secrets and you will suffer penalites or be open and don't. Yamaha's engines though are costing 800k not 1.2m.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 1:49 PM
Last Edited 69 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


some1: When Stoner tested the Production racer, it was using Honda's ECU.
It wasn't the spec ECU has been available for a year, do really think Honda are that stupid?
Garcia: About conspiracy theories, how do you explain Ducati and Yamaha taking the obvious and cheaper option of going for last years factory bike with dorna ecu, but Honda going to all the trouble of building a new bike that is not going to be as competitive?
Read back through the thread, how is it cheaper? Honda have just got their pre-seamless gearbox in an engine and fitted springs instead of bellows, something they did before. LLary the last time we had this setup was the NSRV, which only the magic of Barros and some factory parts made succesful.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 3:23 PM
Last Edited 70 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Mike G: RSMick, I am not sure your comment of 'requested by the MSMA' is entirely correct, but I would agree with voted on and approved by the MSMA.
cycleworld.com/2014/01/29/ducati-set-to-shake-up-motogp-with-new-open-strategy/ I along with about 5000 other people heard it from Mr Webbs mouth on stage at the DOC.
GArcia: Yamaha leased engines to forward racing are sealed, Yamaha does all the maintenance. No problem for honda to do the same.
Absolutely, its their own fault they didn't, all engines are sealed as soon as presented to technical direction by Dorna. What we fail to see at the moment is how these bikes will perform in the races because everybody is basing it on the test, the first real test at that on a long track. The only one complaining is Hayden, he will look pretty silly if Redding gets it all together and beats him.


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