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RSMick

February 07, 2014 4:31 PM
Last Edited 151 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Garcia Its simple really, they are not going to match the factory bikes, you also cannot expect customers to pay 3m for a leased unit and a 1.2m unit be better. Its like you buying an M3 and a 335 blasting past you on the straight. Whoever you believe is your perogative, Redding says it lacks punch out of the corners and they are working on that, Nakamoto says and he is probably right (on motogp.com video) that the Honda needs time to setup. He may end up looking silly after everything he said about the ART, but so might Hayden, theres a reason he is not on a factory bike.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 2:36 PM
Last Edited 152 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Mike G The rules you talk about, fuel limits, 800cc, low engine limits have all been requested by the MSMA, typically Honda and Yamaha have played ball so Ducati had to. Why do think the Dorna rules "Open" have 12 engines and 24 litres and open engine developement, and went back to 1000? Thats how they want it to be. The spec ECU and spec software will have what you all dream of on here, Dorna will control over how much TC and rider aids are used. Garcia. Do you think Honda would just sell last years bike containing all that technology for anyone to buy and copy? Forward like Tech3 are not allowed to touch the engines, part of most lease deals you can get. Yamaha stopped selling their YZR engines because teams were making copy parts, a very famous tuner for one, and that was not part of the deal.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 1:04 PM
Last Edited 152 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Garcia, that was on here, nuff said. It was the most talked about subject after the conference yesterday, they stated in the conference it was Akiyoshi that got within 0.3 seonds of his factory time. Journalists mis-quoted Nakamoto. Realfan, when did you last see a non factory bike win WSB 1989? Fred Merkel. Look at the difference there between the R's RR's and RRR's.

RSMick

February 08, 2014 8:29 AM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


shamarone: A: send a message to Ezpelata that since he produces NOTHING, they (Honda) are ultimately in control, and at any moment should he give the word, BIG RED can snatch his nuts out from under him and use 'em for dice.
Thats just it my illuminous sweet eating friend, they can't and the way its going the MSMA will be down to a membership of 1. Honda got shown up Moto3, lost control of Moto2, and are not getting their way in Motogp. Remember Honda 18 months ago? "If they make us switch to a standard ECU we will leave" what happened? Now making noises "If they make us use spec software we will leave" lets see what happens because on this one they are on their own, Nakamoto is begiining to sound like your favourite FGS. Dr Nicky is probably heading your way right now.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 3:15 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Ha Codger, the rules, they can't be much simplier, its not like we have multiple cc, multiple weights, multiple air tracts etc. Marelli and Cecchinelli had some interesting things to say on the last Off Season show, about the spec ECU and how all the manufacturers have requested things from the ECU and the private teams as well. Marelli says this is helping them and Cecchinelli says they will take them on board and things that will help they will use others will get thrown in the bin. I agree there is no reason why the manufacturers should share the info they invest in, thats why they introduced the 2 tier system, keep your secrets and you will suffer penalites or be open and don't. Yamaha's engines though are costing 800k not 1.2m.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 1:49 PM
Last Edited 153 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


some1: When Stoner tested the Production racer, it was using Honda's ECU.
It wasn't the spec ECU has been available for a year, do really think Honda are that stupid?
Garcia: About conspiracy theories, how do you explain Ducati and Yamaha taking the obvious and cheaper option of going for last years factory bike with dorna ecu, but Honda going to all the trouble of building a new bike that is not going to be as competitive?
Read back through the thread, how is it cheaper? Honda have just got their pre-seamless gearbox in an engine and fitted springs instead of bellows, something they did before. LLary the last time we had this setup was the NSRV, which only the magic of Barros and some factory parts made succesful.

RSMick

February 07, 2014 3:23 PM
Last Edited 153 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Production Racer criticism


Mike G: RSMick, I am not sure your comment of 'requested by the MSMA' is entirely correct, but I would agree with voted on and approved by the MSMA.
cycleworld.com/2014/01/29/ducati-set-to-shake-up-motogp-with-new-open-strategy/ I along with about 5000 other people heard it from Mr Webbs mouth on stage at the DOC.
GArcia: Yamaha leased engines to forward racing are sealed, Yamaha does all the maintenance. No problem for honda to do the same.
Absolutely, its their own fault they didn't, all engines are sealed as soon as presented to technical direction by Dorna. What we fail to see at the moment is how these bikes will perform in the races because everybody is basing it on the test, the first real test at that on a long track. The only one complaining is Hayden, he will look pretty silly if Redding gets it all together and beats him.


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