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RSMick

January 09, 2013 2:05 PM
Last Edited 132 days ago

MOTOGP » New PBM MotoGP prototype taking shape


MD Zane, I don't remember Rossi and Burgess manufacturing or designing a chassis. For the ignorant the manufaturer of this chassis, which there are 2 versions, got the very last 2st pole position. As with the above post, whatever kind of person Paul Bird is, we should be happy he is putting his money and persueded others to put their money into this sport. I remember 12 months ago a lot of posts as to wtf he had signed Ellison. I think what Crash needs is all riders to smile and do little baby waves at the camera, and wait for all the other riders in a . All team bosses to put loads of money in, and when its not working just smile and think well he's a nice guy, last, but nice. All manufacturers to stop trying to build a bike to beat others. A series promoter to not move with the times, lose money at every track because their nice tracks and keep everything as it was years ago even though years ago they were facing the same problems and they weren't good years.

RSMick

January 08, 2013 3:30 PM

WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


Absolutley TalentFan but first you need the circuit to put on the show to get the TV to pay, if the circuits are not making any money they won't put on the show, they make their money by people paying an entrance fee and eating overpriced burgers. No circuits no TV. The as you say bling of Motogp is what sells though to the average punter who has never heard of Rossi. Never sure about those Fogarty gates that were only at Brands, Donnington could only get a 3 day figure of 50k. KRsnr used to call them Flamini figures. I am not sure you could get 120k (always round figure with WSB) into Brands at once but they were always 3 day figures everywhere else. You could get 4 Brands in Silverstone and have you seen that place with 120k in?

RSMick

January 08, 2013 1:21 PM
Last Edited 133 days ago

WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


I think Tetly has the right idea, the biggest critisism Dorna can face is taking the eye of the ball in late 90's and allowing manufacturers there leasing plan. They should have maintained the path of manufacturers supplying production racers as they did with the Yam and NSRV's. Before that manufacturers used to supply a wealth of TZ's RG's and RS's, kwack had a go but were their usual self. They should have taken control of the rules earlier, but hey thats exactly the path Flamini took or more so whatever Ducati want, I am sure we would have ended up with 2 litre twins. WSB does not have global pull that people believe, only here a little in Italy and maybe Shamorone in the states. Why here? mainly because we cannot win Motogp. WSB sanction fees are 20% of Motogp and a couple 20% less than that. Yet they still struggle to sell rounds and the fans who rave about it so much don't turn up. There were twice as many people at Silverstone on Motogp Friday as WSB Sunday.

RSMick

January 08, 2013 10:28 AM
Last Edited 133 days ago

WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


TalentFan, some of his points are fair but comparing 2m against a bike and 18m a car is simalr to football and bike . As you say nearly everyone drives cars, the image of car drivers are totally different, a car probably has 800% more advertising space on it for a start. Its the image that people have that GP is doomed and WSB isn't purely because the is better bemuses me. The racing IS better only than motogp but it has less participants, almost no major sponsors and abismal tv coverage. Bridgepoint must have seen this and along with a couple of misdemeaners, removed Flamini from control by ISM buying the ony 7% of IMS it wasn't given. IF WSB/Flamini was a better financial role model than Dorna, does anybody really believe that with Bridgepoints portfolio, they would not have put Flamini in charge of Motogp and WSB? How many people could acutally list more than a couple of riders or teams without looking in SStock and stock 600?

RSMick

January 08, 2013 9:19 AM
Last Edited 134 days ago

WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


F1 constantly tinkers with the rules against BE's will remember his "its not my fault Ferrari are better than everbody else, its their job to catch up" Only recently have they started to improve the show by adding degrading tyres, Kers and DRS, amongst others. The racing in F1 has been procession for years but it still sells but its not just about the racing, its the whle show, which whilst WSB has had good racing it has not been able to capitalise on it. I suggest you go to a WSB round, it is threadbare in the paddock compared to GP, no major sponsors, very few hospitality, and empty pit boxes. So with the terrible show that GP gives yet they are still getting some amount of sponsorship, Motogp enjoys a lot more professional camera work and TV coverage, and more stations buy it with its poor racing, so if the racing sells who are the poor marketeers? Dorna through the 2000's yes rested on their laurels way too much, that didn't happen in the 90's they started from nothing, too many am

RSMick

January 08, 2013 8:57 AM
Last Edited 134 days ago

WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


This is a world championship after all: Your entitled to your opinion of course, did you follow GP before Dorna took over? Ecclestone/TWP got them in the right direction but it was a shambles,constant threats of walk outs. Admittedly a street corner newspaper seller could have done a better job than the FIM. 99% of the population would not know the difference between Motogp and WSB or that two championships existed, but hey we have headlight stickers now taking up valuable sponsorship space. For most they mention Rossi and know he rides a motorbike, poor marketing by Dorna but if youve got something flaunt it. Most people in Britain if they saw a bike speeding would still say "who do you think you are Barry Sheene?" yeat we have had many riders at the top of WSB. WSB last year was great , Moto2 50% of the time is brilliant racing, WSB whilst good is still tactical and about who conserves his built to degrade tyres. Weather played a big part this year.

RSMick

January 08, 2013 7:29 AM
Last Edited 134 days ago

WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


This is a world championship after all: I don't want to sound too condescending, but if your in sports marketing that is a very blinkered outlook on sponsorship and finance in general, maybe why USA is in meltdown after lecturing every other country. Its what you get for that 2m, and I can tell you from experience, the difference between the value of return from WSB and GP sponsorship and GP and sponsorship is huge, its no use blaming Dorna for WSB lack of money they have inherited it. If you visit the different championships as a guest you will see what I mean. I thought without his sponsors Lewis Hamilton would be sweeping up outside Macdonalds and a Vodaphone contract was all I needed in life. I thought without Shell the Ducati would be at push bike speed and without Tissot Nicky Haydens heart would stop. Oh and Progea gave me a cap and Effenbert try to sell me a bottle of beer and an out of shape polo shirt.


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