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RSMick

January 10, 2013 11:06 AM

MOTOGP » Four teams to run control ECU in MotoGP 2013


I didnt say KERS, that technology has been around a long time, London Underground for one. Its my field as is logic software. The rules are changing in Motogp as the control ECU in a direction that you want, but you want them to ban manufacturers from the fight, motorcyles are not cars and a tiny spec of the business. Saying that Honda motorcycles have the 2nd biggest selling motor vehicle of all time, is it any wonder theh have so much power? Honda are just the Ferrari of GP. All I can say is Motogp has not suddenly become like this, its always been this way and survived, its adapting with the times trying to keep everyone happy, but its hard. There is not a CEO or governing body in this world who makes a decision and everyone is happy.

RSMick

January 10, 2013 10:32 AM
Last Edited 160 days ago

MOTOGP » Four teams to run control ECU in MotoGP 2013


Simple, for it to carry on the way its always been since the likes of Norton built their first one off's. For the race to be a true race where the best engineers and the best rider on that day win the race, and those who are behind strive to beat them within a set of rules. Where a small team of dedicated staff can find something that may help them elevate to a higher position, as any company does. I want to see riders master bikes and tyres that I could only dream of doing. I have rode production club racing and my son has raced against the likes of Scott Redding and Danny Kent in minibike and minimoto, and you can see what riders at that age stand out. If I want a handicap system I'll watch horse racing. You mention F1 again, Lotus is a manufacturer and Cosworth has been owned by a manufacturer for years. These have always battled against the might of the manufacturer, enter CRT. If you really passionate about your racing go and watch some club races.

RSMick

January 10, 2013 9:55 AM

MOTOGP » Four teams to run control ECU in MotoGP 2013


For you it is, for a lot of us its about human skill and engineering excellence. If you believe there is no human skill involved, then why are there only 4 or 5 or can master these bikes? You may say they have the best bike but they weren't just given them when they decided to start racing, they had to earn them first, the best get the best. Put Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner and Rossi and to some extents Dovizioso on a SBK the result would be the same, as it was when these guys rode 2 strokes. If you want a more human approach go and watch some MZ racing or type underbone racing in youtube. Even better watch cycling.

RSMick

January 10, 2013 9:43 AM

MOTOGP » Four teams to run control ECU in MotoGP 2013


TalentFan or is it Citizen Smith? What better way is there to develope fuel economy strategies? You can do it on a dyno but it does not give you the real picture. Do you think they would spend millions on Motogp if you could simply do it on a computer? People saying how succesful and good F1 is, at the moment its all about when you use your liquorice tyre or DRS. What use are they for a road vehicle? What are the real issue's that they are creating a smokescreen for?

RSMick

January 09, 2013 10:59 PM
Last Edited 160 days ago

MOTOGP » Four teams to run control ECU in MotoGP 2013


mt, I remember in 07 everybody accused Ducati of having a huge advantage in fuel consuption, in reality they and Shell just got it right. There are 3 members of the MSMA, Honda are pushing for the fuel thing and Dorna used it as a trade off for the spec ECU. One of Yamaha or Ducati backed it, which I read it was Yamaha then its Yamaha's own fault if they get there bottom spanked.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 10:37 PM

MOTOGP » Four teams to run control ECU in MotoGP 2013


Because we are human, if we think we are getting more, we buy more. All companies have to be seen to be greener now and that is worth a lot of money, would you ride your bike if it had to be filled up every 20 miles? Whether I go in my car or bike I am still conscious of how much it costs, if the company selling the petrol is doing something to help me get better value I am more likely to buy that fuel.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 10:06 PM
Last Edited 160 days ago

MOTOGP » Four teams to run control ECU in MotoGP 2013


Your better to read what he actually said on Motogp.com Your quote "Already better then Yamaha & Ducati have. Quoted by MotoGP's Director of Technology. That hardly suggests a limited I/O Ecu now does it? " As I said it does not state hardware, what ever I/O it does, have they will all have the same and probably less than what Honda have now, so as I said possibly no fancy gyroscopes for Honda, they can still use it but sacrifice at least 2 analogue channels in doing so. How they use the available I/O though weather digital or analogue is up to the manufacturer, but what they wont have is any more than anyone else. What they can do is write some better software than Magnetti but they will be losing 4 litres of fuel in doing so, what the Magnetti software users will benefit from is feedback from more users, whilst the hardware won't change all year in 14 there is nothing to stop the software for all users getting an update every race.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 9:55 PM

MOTOGP » Four teams to run control ECU in MotoGP 2013


If its close racing you want I doubt GP will ever be for you, the stock ECU means that the CRT teams have a little less headache and a cheaper system. When watching Hernandez from trackside last year it was clear what his problem was, he was giving that bike everything but it was not repsonding has he wanted, the Motec ECU software, Edwards said the same thing about the Suter with its Bosch. Hernadez mid corner looked like the bike was cutting in and out of power, Edwards said he had no idea when in a corner if the power would come on even with the throttle shut. The top guys are exceptional and very rarely make a mistake, when they do its near impossible to get back if the one in front doesn't falter. Rossi once said you can ride WSB bike 100% 80% of the time, you can ride a GP bike 100% 20% of the time.

RSMick

January 09, 2013 9:32 PM
Last Edited 160 days ago

MOTOGP » Four teams to run control ECU in MotoGP 2013


Nowhere does it say the ECU is better hardware than what is currently used, so it may and most likely be the software which forms the biggest part. It also states that the stock ECU will be a derivative of this, so it could be a more fixed parameter unit. If they all had a perfect set up and all equal talent they would all be nose to tail for the whole and waiting for someone to make a mistake. Translate "Grand Prix" and you get the big prize, its not just about the race, its about getting 3 days (4 in old time) to get everything right and as close to perfect as you can. Its also about new ideas did you see the first carbon brake rider? Rainey was 2 seconds in front at the end of the first lap. Did you see Doohan on the first big bang? As long as I can remember the races have never been close, there has always been a handfull of riders that are just way above the rest, take Spies in WSB. I think 00/01 were about the closest because 500's developement came to an almost halt.


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