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asefi

February 10, 2013 12:18 AM

MotoGP » Valentino Rossi: We can fight


It finally paid off in 2007 with Casey's championship. Too bad Suzuki never figured out how to save tires. Once Yamaha figured it out, they won 3 years in a row again. It took Honda longer, but by the end of 2009 they had it figured out. But they still couldn't defeat the mighty Yamaha until Casey showed up. Perspective! Casey has stated multiple times that the bike he got at the start of the year was more-or-less identical with what he finished. If there was no on-going, seasonal development, then how can you blame Stoner? Ducati only developed aerodynamic bodywork and a carbon fibre frame. Stoner even stated that he preferred the carbon bike better. I'd say the other main reason for the decline of the Desmo is the fact that everyone went bridgestone and all the focused support on Ducati quickly disappeared. Bridgestone now had to make tires that would suit all bikes. Honda and Yamaha could afford to now re-develop their bikes to suit the tires. You honestly believe that Ducat

asefi

February 10, 2013 12:11 AM

MotoGP » Valentino Rossi: We can fight


From what I gather, this is the argument made against the desmosedici: In 2007, the bike was great. It stomped the field and there were no issues. Slowly, but surely, the bike progressively declined due to incorrect development by Stoner. Rossi jumped on a inherently defective bike and it was never fixed crippling him for 2 years. The thing is, the Ducati has never been a great bike. Stoner just made it look amazing and perhaps made other riders want it badly. I can use the argument of "where were the other Ducatis" here because Stoner was the #2 rider destroying everyone. Loris was nowhere to be seen! He probably got more support, too! Loris finished 7th that year. To put things into perspective: TWO SUZUKIS FINISHED AHEAD OF HIM!!! I wouldn't say the Ducati was great, I would say Yamaha and Honda failed to create decent bikes that year. No pneumatics = automatic loss against desmo power. Also, Ducati gambled and went "all-in" with bridgestone in 2005, I believe. It finally paid

asefi

February 09, 2013 11:52 PM
Last Edited 557 days ago

MotoGP » Valentino Rossi: We can fight


Give credit where credit is due. Hundreds of engineers slaved away to make these awesome bikes and some fans spread myths about riders creating them. As if the engineers sat around like simians banging tools around until Rossi showed up and showed them the way. I agree that riders are used to give feed-back and input, but I feel like the word development is a misnomer. That or perhaps everyone has a different definition for the word? I get it. Rossi fans want to have their cake and eat it, too. Keep in mind that you need to put perspective on championships. I would rate Rossi's 08-09 championships much higher than anything from 2002-2005 due to the depth of the field after 2007. Not taking anything away from Rossi. Just looking at the big picture.

asefi

February 09, 2013 11:44 PM
Last Edited 557 days ago

MotoGP » Valentino Rossi: We can fight


Vrohopoios, A fallacy is the 2003 M1 being referred to as a dog of a bike when it wasn't. Biaggi was putting up a good fight until he started crashing like mad. From what I understood, Rossi was given 5 engines so whatever he picked is moot. Furusawa was actually using that as a test to see if Rossi knew what he was talking about as a rider - meaning it was all predetermined anyway. So, Rossi didn't turn a dog of a bike into a winner, really. It was all Yamaha. The classic rebuttal is, "Well, what about the other M1s?" Oh, you mean the fake ones that didn't really count? Rossi was the only one with a true, big-bang M1. He got all the go-fast parts and all the support. Logically, it's the stupidest move for data acquisition, but Yamaha gambled it all on Rossi to defeat Honda and it worked. Do you blame Rossi for the over-development of the 2006 M1? Of course not! Or the fact that the non-pneumatic 2007 M1 sucked? Nope! Or tail-chasing methodology of Ducati Corse 2011-2012? Not eve

asefi

February 09, 2013 10:39 AM

MotoGP » Valentino Rossi: We can fight


@Nigel, Honda developed the RC211V. Riders provide input for mechanics/technicians so they can translate that to engineers. In 2002, Rossi stomped the competition because most people were still running 2-strokes (Yamaha) or shoddy attempts at 4-strokes (Kawasaki). It was all very sad. The Yamaha actually wasn't a dog of a bike. It came 2nd in the championship in 2003. The new incarnation of the M1 had already been developed by Yamaha and Furusawa (the real genius). So Rossi pretty much stepped into a winning combination with his own prowess, much like in his NSR500 days. You complain about others creating fallacies, yet you seem to do a good job of it yourself. When others receive relatively inferior equipment, by default, Rossi has the best. But this is all stuff 10 years ago. Rossi's time at Ducati is more relevant, I feel. Weight and tire changes were implemented to reduce the gap between the Ducatis and other factories for Rossi's sake and it still didn't help. His crash at L

asefi

February 08, 2013 5:23 PM

MotoGP » Valentino Rossi: We can fight


The tires are different now. There is no saving tire for the end of the race like Rossi used to do and come out of nowhere with a win. The bridgestones won't allow it as they barely degrade over a race. The only way Rossi can compete is if he can pound out a metronomic race pace like Jorge. Historically, he has not been known to do that. Let's see what happens.


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