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107SS2009

April 16, 2014 9:34 AM

F1 » Red Bull appeal rejected


Only those that come here parroting what RBR had been telling the media but failed to prove in court agree with this so called LETGO injector/fuel flow/electronics expert!. There was more at stake for RBR then just the 18 points for Ricciardo and the team, RBR were waging a battle to have the FFM removed from the 2014 regulations, it was a fight RBR could never win. In court RBR were mocked for “forgetting” to remove a spare unused sensor during the Australian GP weekend prior to flying their spare chassis back to Milton Keynes, regularly scorn was poured on them, they were accused of arrogance, insular thinking and provoking a course of action which if adopted by all would lead to the law of the wild west and anarchy. These days may well be over now. To be continued.

107SS2009

April 17, 2014 7:34 AM

F1 » Red Bull appeal rejected


BJR, Since the RBR appeal was announced I never had any doubt that they didn't had a leg to stand on. The difference between what you are still parroting after the verdict (what RBR bombarded the media with "the FFM was not working correctly") and what they did not prove in court, and what I have been parroting from when the appeal was announced ( my technical calculations that the FFM was working correctly) and which has been proven in court. also I was proven right in saying (according to the verdict) that the RBR engine management data, injector timing and all the other stuff that goes with it , which is generated by the team's themselves and which is not being independently calibrated like the homologated sensors are cannot match the accuracy of the FFM. .

107SS2009

April 15, 2014 10:09 PM

F1 » Red Bull appeal rejected


And some more to read, After judge Duijm commenced proceedings the first speaker was RB lawyer Ali Malek, he argues that the sensor was not working correctly and that there is no rule which justifies the FIA sensor as the only usable measurement. FIA lawyer Bernard interjects, stating that there can be only one official measurement, “if each team measures at will, because they are of the opinion , the official measurement is wrong, we have anarchy”.

107SS2009

April 16, 2014 7:47 AM

F1 » Red Bull appeal rejected


SAS2R The data sheet provided by Gill Sensors (available on their web page) shows that 52% of their sensors have an accuracy of +/- 0.1% and that 92% have an accuracy of +/- 0.25%. I would hope that the sensors provided to the FIA were preselected from the +/- 0.1% bin. As per the Gill sensor data sheet you have quoted and as per RBR claimed in court injector reading accuracy, the worst sensor RBR could have been given would have been at least as accurate as their injector readings. but read my post above to start to understand the differences which RBR AND YOUR LIKES ARE LEAVING OUT.

107SS2009

April 16, 2014 7:36 AM

F1 » Red Bull appeal rejected


BJR, the maximum allowed fuel flow rate is 100kg/h at 10500rpm, at that max-power-speed there will be 31500 injections per minute, the problem with that is the quantity of fuel injected will depend on the algorithms written/programmed into the fuel map by the individual teams. As to the accuracy of the team’s injector readings and that of the homologated FFM, the injector readings can never be as accurate as the readings of the FFM. One example, fuel events at the engine end are effected by fuel compression, eg, 4% density change typically at 500 bar. The flow at the FFM which is sitting submerged in the fuel tank in the low pressure line is more constant than at the injectors.

107SS2009

April 16, 2014 9:44 AM

F1 » Red Bull appeal rejected


RBR decision to defy the FIA was taken prior to the start of the Australian GP, from lap 1 they refused to acknowledge the fuel flow sensor measurements and insisted on relying on their own modelled calculations. RBR will not be hit with race bans or extreme punitive punishments, because the FIA is aware of the fragile nature of F1 at present.


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