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TalentFan

September 10, 2014 8:02 AM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


BJR: On a slightly differnt note, I found this insight into the world of Honda MotoGP interesting. Googling the "phrase" below will get you close enough to find it. world.honda.com RC-V
Thx for posting BJR. All fans should read it. It gives a tiny insight into just what Hondas electronic strategies can do. Bottom line is that their systems ARE replacing rider skills by replicating them and synthesising them into the bike systems. Impressive. But it renders a riders contest into a totally pointless worthless thing. Honda are proving it's the bike tech and not the rider every week.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 12:40 PM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


RSMick: About sums you up, Ukawa was never in the 500's at the same time as Doohan, it was either Ito or latter Okada after impressing on the V twin. Doohan was the first to run big bang with multiple maps (hence in 91 building up a huge lead) and the first to revert back to screamer.
Ukawa / Okada / Itoh. I could not recall the right name. I knew it wasn't Ukada but just couldn't recall the right Japanese rider. No matter, the point is still valid with the wrong name in it I feel. I know about Doohan and the BB engine yes - and when he went back to the Screamer the other guys tried it and couldn't manage it as well as MD did. The point is that the bikes were much, MUCH harder to handle, and demanded much more skill, commitment & risk from the pilot.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 1:20 PM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


Brain. FFS - everything is RELATIVE. We are talking about a field of world class professional bike racers here, not Joe Schmo from Uberwald who's ridden a couple of track days being put on it. FYI - if 'the power and speed' is beyond what the very best riders in the world can manage without electronics.... then the engineers are doing their job wrong, and perverting the contest. The 'clever bit' used to be in producing THE fastest machine thatb was also the most user-friendly - that oh-so-fine balance between outright grip, power and performance and useability. Thats what made the racing, Racing. The ability of the crew chief and engineers to produce a package that played best to their RIDERS ability. Now they just bypass the riders limits and use data and electronics instead to go faster. Like I said, impressive. But it ain't a Riders Contest with it. End of. Brain Surgery is impressive. But I don't want to watch it on telly.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 1:29 PM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


Look Brain. Lets not degenerate this into nonsense again. I take your point about MotoGP being a Mfr and engineering contest as well as supposedly a Riders contest. The problem is... is that the technology is now so advanced that it is rendering the Rider contest irrelevant - the balance of man & machine has been lost. Surely you can concede that, if this direction continues, then the clever engineers will increasingly render the pilots inputs to have less and less impact upon the pace of the package? The thing is... is that the majority have their primary interest in the Riders, and the Riders Contest. So to marginalise and make this irrelevant is destructive to GP racing. This is what has happened. So - do we accept that its now a valid Mfr WC only, or do we want to accept that Gyros' data and electronic aids are totally incompatible with the needs of the Riders WC? Those are the realistic choices.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 1:37 PM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


RSMick: I am sure some here believe the smile is the latest development from Asimo, and the smile is only there because of servo's and emotion aids.
You may laugh, but high profile sportsmen are well coached in public speaking and how to do public speaking, etc. How to present themselves as a 'product' and as a spokesperson for their sponsors and employers. I was amazed in my naivety many years ago when a friend who played Club Rugby here in Wales was telling me how that, as soon as a player received selection and a Welsh Cap, that he would be bundled off by the WRU to be conditioned so that they would present a media and fan friendly and very diplomatic and politically correct persona to the fans and media. That was over 20-years ago. Just how focussed on it do you think they are now?

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 8:22 AM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


@ Fierce46 You're happy to believe that MM would win on anything. You're music to the ears of those creating the Marquez Media Phenomenon Model. You swallow what you're served without requiring your hero to actually prove it. Which is what Racing is FOR. I want a Riders WC to be earned, and for the Champ to have proved he earned if beyond question. With electronics and gyros, sensors and all the rider aids that's impossible, so we have to take their word for it that the best man won. Sorry, but faith is for religion. Racing must provide raw proof or the contest is not valid. MotoGP provides ZERO proof that the best man wins. Quite the opposite. It really would be just as valid to have faith that Tom Cruise really is the greatest NASCAR driver in Days of Thunder! If fans would only stop and think instead of regurgitating media rubbish with blind nauseating hero-worship then maybe Grand Prix might become proper Racing.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 4:49 PM

MotoGP » Mick Doohan - Q&A


Nothing contentious or really outspoken there really. No real pro-this and anti-that at all. Pretty well steered down the middle of the road. This isn't a poke at the interview nor Mick Doohan, its just the fact that no-one with any sense publicly says whats really on their mind if they have a polarised opinion. People in the public eye can no longer afford to be 'characters', or complain etc. etc. They'll have contracts stating clearly what they are limited to saying, and if not there's the constant threat of being black-balled and losing income, or being sued. Its got to be damned hard these days to be an interviewer (cos you know you'll get nothing but PR-Speak) and hard to be the interviewee (co you have to think carefully about the myriad possible implications of your reply and formulate that reply accordingly. Ive noted that Kenny Roberts seems to get around this by mostly saying very little at all.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 4:22 PM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


Brain: Like i have told you at least two dozen times. Moto GP is not just a riders contest, it is engineering contest as well. It defies logic for someone to come onto a GP board and complain about technology.
It is MEANT to be both perhaps. My point was that the Riders contest has now been pushed to the margins and rendered pointless BY the engineering. Not so hard to understand, and its a logical and obvious truth. Do fans want an engineering contest, if in doing so it means the Racers become bit prt players in the game? I really doubt it. Or, would they want the tech controlled to levels where the riders contest was the most important aspect? It is a very real, and very valid question that you are just trying to bully out of existence. You know my feeling and I know yours. If push comes to shove, and fans were given the clear choice, I think my view would prove to be the popular one (just look at the media focus - its ALL about the riders).

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 1:11 PM

MotoGP » Nicky Hayden targeting Aragon comeback


I broke my left Scaphiod in a bike crash when I was about 25. And although it hurt some at the time, it was the pain it gave for months AFTER it healed and the supprt casts were off that was the thing. I couldn't put any weight pressure through the base of my palm for many, many weeks without sharp pain, and getting the range of movement back took time and was no fun at all. Ok... I know NH will have had treatment and rehab that I could only dream of.... and just reading about a wrist with bones removed and serious surgery... and then hoping to handle the handlebar forces of a Racing bike - well it makes me wince just thinking about it. I can envisage a working wrist and right hand for Nicky... but one thats up to taking THAT kind of stick? I remain concerned.


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