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TalentFan

August 15, 2014 3:51 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Honda has found something


Codger: Talent/ProfX........You are aware that's all 'fixed' aren't you ? The only thing left to decide is whether Dorna are 'fixing' Bridgestone, or vice versa, and which of the two are going to 'fix' Michelin. I've got a photograph of Moses going cheap, interested ?
Codger. For openers me and ProfX are from totally different continents and are most certainly not one and the same. Get a grip man! There's no conspiracy theory here. Just plain talking. Mfrs want every edge they can get as they are here to promote their Brand, not win silverware as their primary purpose. Being sporting has no place in that. These days Riders are their own Brands too, so maybe many of them are happy to forego being sporting and take unfair advantage to promote themselves too. But.... MotoGP is marketed and sold as SPORT. Which means Fans should have an expectation that they will get to see a fair contest and celebrate a victory won fair and square. Which is patently NO

TalentFan

August 15, 2014 4:35 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Honda has found something


Brain Wow, a fairly reasonable post aimd at me! I'm honoured! Honest response in kind.... I know you are convinced I'm a closet Rossi Fanboy, but I can assure you I am not. Do a Moto89 and look back far enough and there's plenty of proof of that - I've criticised VR and got plenty of flaming for it, and stated he had unfair advantages which assisted his Chamionship tally. My 'crusade' is I think the result of increasingly getting more fed up with the situation in MotoGP tbh. The biggest problem being the electronics actually replacing the skills of riders really is THE biggest problem. Most fail to realise this gives invisible scope to regulate performance across a field to suit an outcome and pervert racing still further, and removes a riders destiny from his own hands even more than ever. I genuinely believe MotoGP is now so corrupted from what most fans believe it to be that its just not funny.

TalentFan

August 15, 2014 4:22 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Honda has found something


herewego: Everyone on the same bike would be the only way to sort out who is better than who, but as that is never going to happen, why not just get rid of the electronics and put the bikes back to what they used to be like when it was down the rider?? That could happen. All this sh-t about bikes needing electronics is just an excuse and the teams with the most money can benefit! How good was the racing years ago when it was basic bike and rider against basic bike and rider - no advantage other than skill, talent and ability !!
Now THIS is a a far more sensible, pragmatic, valid viewpoint and one I happen to share.

TalentFan

August 15, 2014 4:08 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Honda has found something


SasquatchBob I disagree that its still true that MotoGP's raison d'etre is a Mfr or development contest. It cannot stay that way as the tech is now replacing the rider skill element and closing off as many of the inconsistencies that made racing exciting. A fully automated machine could easily be developed to go faster than a ridden machine.... but the problem for Mfrs is that no-one would want to watch a whole race series with just machines in it. People forget that MotoGP is already heavily regulated, just not effectively regulated. So its not actually a prototype series, its just not a Production based series. People love to tell me to clear off and watch something else where the regulations are more effective (like BSB for example). Great (& I do) but all of us want to see the very best of the best go head-to-head, but we are always denied this by the rules failing to provide a level playing field. Result? No one gets to see what could be EPIC Racing, and no one can say 10

TalentFan

August 15, 2014 3:42 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Honda has found something


SasquatchBob: The only way to make it "fair" is to put all the riders on identical bikes. That would be awesome, but it wouldn't be MotoGP then would it? MotoGP is about top riders on prototype, cutting edge machines.
It has to come to a head one day Bob. Tech is spoiling the contest that fans want to watch. We all know that if all the Grand Prix stars were brought together and given identical low tech bikes to ride... that the event would be a massive sell out and a huge success as fans clamoured to be there to find out who could really do what head-to-head without all the carp clouding the issue. There are events from history that PROVE what I say here. When it comes right down to it... it is the RIDERS that sell Grand Prix foremost. The bikes need to be the toughest things for the best talent to master, not necessarily the fastest things ever made, so they ADD to the challenge. Good technical rules need not exclude multiple marques.

TalentFan

August 15, 2014 3:34 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Honda has found something


........ Which means that while Honda are winning through package superiority, Marquez wins that way too cos he's riding one. Which isnt Sport. Simple. I understand just fine Brain. Its not complicated. The complicated bit is explaining the bloody obvious to people like you who clearly do not understand the basic philosophy and principles of Sport. The Mfrs are in competition with one another, yes. And its real enough. But they aren't being sporting - its not why they are here. A Sportsman HAS to win. But he has to win against rivals with equal opportunity and tools for it to be SPORTING. As I keep saying... GP's short-change fans and Riders by damaging what they need, so that the Mfrs get what THEY want. It may be how its been for a long time. But that does not change the fundamental fact that MotoGP is not a sporting series for Riders despite all the media sell being based around the Riders non-contest. You could certainly argue that MM would not win a WC on Bradl's bik

TalentFan

August 15, 2014 3:23 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Honda has found something


If we are all brutally honest and put all rider allegiances aside (not that I have any) then its a sad fact that ALL riders WC's have been won with significant unfair equipment and support advantage over most of their rivals. There's never been more than a handful of genuinely front-running bikes in MotoGP. However.... in the distant past a rider at least had more room to make a difference. If a racer really could be a few percent better on the day then he could use that to overcome his rivals, even if they had better kit. Thats because they used to have to do all the controlling, and humans make more mistakes than computers do, which gives a chance to the guy hanging it all out but making fewer errors. Technology has taken away employing human skills, and minimised human errors. So that has to mean that the overall better package wins out more of the time. Which means that while Honda are winning through package superiority, Marquez wins that way too cos he's riding one. Whi

TalentFan

August 15, 2014 3:15 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Honda has found something


..... You know it. I know it. Its all about selling one thing and actually delivering something else. You can put a suit and tie on a Pig. But underneath its still a Pig. BTW. I really enjoyed Nicky winning his WC against all the odds. He didn't have the full support of Honda who backed Pedro, Rossi with Yamaha's full support and a great package, and he ground it out and won it. And I was happy for him. None of which changes anything about the true situation of MotoGP today. In fact... IF my opinions were much more widely understood and held, then chances are Nicky would be on a much more competitive ride in relation to his competitors than he has.

TalentFan

August 15, 2014 3:10 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Honda has found something


Brain: @Talent Fan You clearly dont understand the sport. I know you have been told this time and time again, but this is an engineering series where to some extent, you are allowed to out to out think your competition. You are right, it has been this way for ages, because thats what is intended to be. Get it, got it?, probably not, but we will keep trying to explain to you. Maybe a crayon and a picture would help.
Brain. Back out from under the bridge again huh? I understand Sport. Enough to know this isn't Sport. Its a Mfr p1$$1ng contest. Which is fine in itself, EXCEPT for the fact that the whole series SELLS & IS SOLD as being a WC for RIDERS. Which means RIDERS should directly operate ALL the control, and all the machines should be better regulated to be EVEN. OR... drop the pretence that its a rider competition at all. Which they won't cos thats why fans tune in. You know it. I know it. Its all about selling one thing and actually delivering so


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