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TalentFan

September 10, 2014 7:45 AM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


BJR:
Doohans Honda was more dominant in its day, than Rossi's was in its day, and they were both more dominant than todays Honda.
Doohan's Honda or the Repsol Honda's?? I'm guessing Criville's Honda wasn't too shabby.
Criville was Repsols Golden Boy of the time while Ukawa was Hondas man. Doohan was not a clear No1 - he was simply better than his teammates and there wasn't the technology on the bikes to synthesise what he was doing to beat them.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 7:38 AM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


BJR: I'm getting sick and tired of all the records being "made up" for Marquez to equalise or beat at each round. One weekend it's the first since Rossi....then it's the first since Doohan, then it's first in the modern era..... FFS why not have a big party because at Silverstone he was the FIRST Honda rider to win a race since Dani Pedrosa won at Brno the weekend before. I can appreciate the guy for being a talanted rider, I just don't need Dorna placing the guy up on a pedestal to be worshiped..
They are trying flat out to take the raw Marquez material and manufacture the replacement Rossi Media Phenomenon & Cash Cow. And being none too subtle in doing it. And, it's working on the gullible.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 7:35 AM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


Brain: Whilst I'm sure you have a. Dry fair point that Doohans bike had the support and spend to be the best in the field, the factory's did not gave the tech on the bikes to regulate them so efficiently nor fine tune them. Compared to today's electronic marvels they were crude beasts with vicious power bands, hair trigger analogue throttles, big power to weight ratios and much, MUCH less advanced tyres. Doohan didn't have a whole array of data sensors, and an army of data systems analysts and code writers programming his machine setup for every corner, and all the aids making it easier go ride super fast consistently. You simply cannot compare the required skill and effort, and the sheer will and balls needed to race Doohans Honda with Marquez's. One is a rabid wild dog of a bike that takes a man to tame it. The other is a big friendly, neutered house pet that has been trained to perfection that you could safely let your kids sit on and ride round the garden.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 8:02 AM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


BJR: On a slightly differnt note, I found this insight into the world of Honda MotoGP interesting. Googling the "phrase" below will get you close enough to find it. world.honda.com RC-V
Thx for posting BJR. All fans should read it. It gives a tiny insight into just what Hondas electronic strategies can do. Bottom line is that their systems ARE replacing rider skills by replicating them and synthesising them into the bike systems. Impressive. But it renders a riders contest into a totally pointless worthless thing. Honda are proving it's the bike tech and not the rider every week.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 12:40 PM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


RSMick: About sums you up, Ukawa was never in the 500's at the same time as Doohan, it was either Ito or latter Okada after impressing on the V twin. Doohan was the first to run big bang with multiple maps (hence in 91 building up a huge lead) and the first to revert back to screamer.
Ukawa / Okada / Itoh. I could not recall the right name. I knew it wasn't Ukada but just couldn't recall the right Japanese rider. No matter, the point is still valid with the wrong name in it I feel. I know about Doohan and the BB engine yes - and when he went back to the Screamer the other guys tried it and couldn't manage it as well as MD did. The point is that the bikes were much, MUCH harder to handle, and demanded much more skill, commitment & risk from the pilot.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 1:20 PM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


Brain. FFS - everything is RELATIVE. We are talking about a field of world class professional bike racers here, not Joe Schmo from Uberwald who's ridden a couple of track days being put on it. FYI - if 'the power and speed' is beyond what the very best riders in the world can manage without electronics.... then the engineers are doing their job wrong, and perverting the contest. The 'clever bit' used to be in producing THE fastest machine thatb was also the most user-friendly - that oh-so-fine balance between outright grip, power and performance and useability. Thats what made the racing, Racing. The ability of the crew chief and engineers to produce a package that played best to their RIDERS ability. Now they just bypass the riders limits and use data and electronics instead to go faster. Like I said, impressive. But it ain't a Riders Contest with it. End of. Brain Surgery is impressive. But I don't want to watch it on telly.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 8:22 AM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


@ Fierce46 You're happy to believe that MM would win on anything. You're music to the ears of those creating the Marquez Media Phenomenon Model. You swallow what you're served without requiring your hero to actually prove it. Which is what Racing is FOR. I want a Riders WC to be earned, and for the Champ to have proved he earned if beyond question. With electronics and gyros, sensors and all the rider aids that's impossible, so we have to take their word for it that the best man won. Sorry, but faith is for religion. Racing must provide raw proof or the contest is not valid. MotoGP provides ZERO proof that the best man wins. Quite the opposite. It really would be just as valid to have faith that Tom Cruise really is the greatest NASCAR driver in Days of Thunder! If fans would only stop and think instead of regurgitating media rubbish with blind nauseating hero-worship then maybe Grand Prix might become proper Racing.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 12:52 AM

MotoGP » Marquez has first shot at Doohan record


Tbh .... I bet Mick Doohan (while saying the fight things for the media about MM and keeping his Honda paymasters happy) is grinding his teeth in private when people compare his achievements with Marc Marquez. One is a proper hard ba$t@rd of a man who paid his dues and put everything on the line, riding an animal of a bike most of use would have been scared to ride down pit lane. Not media friendly (not even friendly come to that) but you had to respect the guy. The other is a nice talented kid with a big smile and some great connections, who rides a bike so sorted any of us would feel we could pop down the shops on it. Not quite the same thing really. No matter what the statistics will say, young Marc isn't going to fill MD's boots anytime soon. No one will on an electronically neutered MotoGP.

TalentFan

September 10, 2014 1:11 PM

MotoGP » Nicky Hayden targeting Aragon comeback


I broke my left Scaphiod in a bike crash when I was about 25. And although it hurt some at the time, it was the pain it gave for months AFTER it healed and the supprt casts were off that was the thing. I couldn't put any weight pressure through the base of my palm for many, many weeks without sharp pain, and getting the range of movement back took time and was no fun at all. Ok... I know NH will have had treatment and rehab that I could only dream of.... and just reading about a wrist with bones removed and serious surgery... and then hoping to handle the handlebar forces of a Racing bike - well it makes me wince just thinking about it. I can envisage a working wrist and right hand for Nicky... but one thats up to taking THAT kind of stick? I remain concerned.


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