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TalentFan

July 31, 2014 8:03 AM

MotoGP » Hayden ‘already thinking about next year’


I think both the Dorna international series face a crisis in the future unless theres a serious rethinking of their strategy. Fans want to see a gladiatorial contest between riders. Fans want the modern day gladiators to need skills and talents as well as balls in order to win. Fans want a win to be hard fought against strong worthy rivals. Fans want to be entertained. A series dominated by a fast computer, where the equipment breaks a field of 22 into 4 hopelessly disparate tiers of pace and budgets simply wont cut it. Sure Americans want to see one if their own. But not if hes on a no hope grid filler ride - it could even have a negative effect as fans feel its an insult and a rip off to take the trouble to travel to a circuit and buy a ticket. Nicky (like all the other supporting cast grid fillers in Dorna's MotoGP) deserves so much better.

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 11:23 AM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


@ grantrd Thats the best you can do? Try to hurt my feelings? How about you come up with something that counters my opinion with something that holds water? You don't simply because you can't. @ RSMick Well, your posts make me laugh too. Its clear from some of your content that you have some bias and vested interest and an agenda that suits you, your business or your employers business in some way. No-one is likely to be as one-sided as you without a vested interest of some kind. Therefore your posts must be viewed as nothing more but media manipulation / propaganda. The only amazing thing is that anyone could fail to work that out about your posts. @ Yossarian. You're like a dumb happy dog - easy to please! That's what makes you a perfect MotoGP fan - Dorna love guys like you for this! Its easy for me to support my statements - just look at what actual racing competition there is in MotoGP with its 4-tier nonsense. That alone proves irrefutably that it is failing compl

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 7:37 AM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


@RSMick I have the same opinion about huge budget, Factory teams & electronics displacing skill and true competition in WSBK as I do in MotoGP. But.... there has at least been closer competition and more podium finishers in WSBK so its been better from a racing and viewing perspective by far than MotoGP. But yes the 2 series have the same issues. MotoGP is the biggest series though. Also the one under discussion. So you bringing Kawa & their electronics and spending in WSBK as an argument against what Honda do in MotoGP is irrelevant. Im sure youre right that Aprilia & Kawa ultimately win most in WSBK through Budget & Spending. Just like Honda dominate MotoGP through Budget & Spending. Dorna are letting wealthy mfrs slowly smother both international motorcycle racing series they so-called manage. Dorna needs to be a far better and stronger custodian of both series.

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 11:41 AM
Last Edited 28 days ago

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


EDIT by CRASH.NET: Removed pointless sniping from a perfectly good conversation. Please don't ruin this thread. @ RSMick. It should be noted that you carefully ignored my post about the Honda seamless gearbox, and it being a proof of Honda's willingness to spend, spend, spend in MotoGP to buy advantage. Having a little trouble coming up with a counter for that, are you?

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 12:28 PM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


@ RSMick Now the single clutch seamless gearbox exists (and it exists purely to circumvent a rule trying to keep automated gearboxes out of motorcycle racing) then Dorna should do one of two things... 1. Remove the ban on dual clutch seamless. At least then a more affordable solution is available to private teams, or 2. Ban the single clutch seamless so they have to go back to changing gear manually (as the original rule intended, and this would be my preference as it means putting one more small piece under the riders skill-set instead of a computer). Whatever, the single clutch seamless is a development dead-end, as dual clutch does the job far easier and cheaper already - so mass adoption is never going to make it much cheaper to make, and the massive R&D cost is never going to be recouped through sufficient gearbox sales. This gearbox was an expensive work-around to enable honda to get around a rule that restricted them from gaining an expensive advantage. So they just spe

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 8:46 AM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


Dorna have survived. Doesnt mean that Motorcycle Racing under their custodianship will in future. Dorna have sold out their control to Mfrs. Mfrs are fickle & woukd drop Racing like a hot potato in a heartbeat if it no longer suits them. Racings future lies with its audience. So look after them. That means look after the core product if Racing, and the core interest that is tbe Riders contest. Dorna can have confidence it can hold fans if it looks after them. It cannot have confidence in the Mfrs to do the same. Dorna have been backing the wrong horses for far too long and for a poor return. The writing is on the wall. You dont need to be Richard Branson to see that.

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 11:26 AM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


......... Its easy for me to support my statements - just look at what actual racing competition there is in MotoGP with its 4-tier nonsense. The hopeless lack of competition and a level playing field throughout MotoGP alone proves irrefutably that it is failing completely as a Racing Series and a Sport. I want Racing repaired - to be what it should be. RSMick just wants MotoGP to remain 'Fixed' (in the worst sense of the term).

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 8:37 AM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


ProfX Telling it there like it is. Not a popular thing to say, but theres some hard truths to be faced. I also agree that RSMick tries too hard, and defends the indefensible far too much to be a credible and unbiased opinion. Everything seems loaded with Agenda. It seems the greater fanbase is easy to fool. But theyve been fooled for a long time. Slowly but surely fans are waking up to it. When enough do......

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 8:29 AM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


MotoGP is just a marketing tool to Honda. They are a business, not a sporting organisation. Dorna are a business. But their business IS the sport. Unless Dorna start protecting the sport by being strong and preventing the Mfrs from dominating through budget and technology...... Then one day there simply wont be any MotoGP or WSBK. The popularity and appeal to viewers and fans will diminish, circuits wont be able to afford to have the series, tv companies wont want to broadcast etc etc. Dorna needs to pull its finger out. Now.

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 8:21 AM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


Btw . If anyone needs proof that Honda are happy to buy their way to dominance then forget trying to find and prove figures noone but Honda will ever know. Just look at what they do. As a previous poster rightly points out, their seamless gearbox is 1 of many good examples. Rules ban dual clutch seamless gearboxes. So Honda spent what must have been vast sums in order to bypass the rules and develop an uber complex single clutch seamless box. A fortune spent to gain an advantage in MotoGP, developing something that has no application outside of MotoGP. If anyone wants proof of Honda's willingness and ability to spend in order to gain advantage, and drive up the cost of competing in order to maintain unfair advantage.... then here it is.


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