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TalentFan

June 23, 2014 4:38 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


No Brain. I'm not a Rossi fan. It sounds terribly old fashioned and boring even to me... But when you draw a line in the sand it does all come down to the principle of the thing. I'm a Racing Fan far more than I could ever be a fan of one rider. But I respect any rider that earns his victories through his own efforts, skill, talent, intelligence and guts against worthy opponents with a genuinely fair and sporting opportunity on a level playing field. Sadly in MotoGP not a single rider gets the chance to do that. Either they are being beaten out of sight by lesser equipment, support and limitations imposed upon them, or they have great success that is forever tainted and devalued by the fact that most of the field did not have the tools , the support, the technology it even perhaps the permission to mount a fair challenge. You may love technology. But if is inevitable that technology used as if is in MotoGP both erodes the rider competition and erodes the input and effect of rid

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 3:31 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


Q1. Do MotoGP bikes have systems that replace direct rider input (twist grip to engine, gear lever to rear drive, clutch operation delivering drive or engine braking to rear tyre etc.) A1. YES. Q2. Does the answer to Q1 above have to mean by definition that what actions or inputs the rider makes with throttle, clutch and gear levers is modulated and corrected by the on board systems? A2. YES. Q3. Is there a significant difference between the machines and the data and data resources programming these systems between Teams in MotoGP? A. YES. Q4. Does the YES answers to all of the above HAVE to mean that it is. 100% true and a fact that MotoGP races and titles can only be won by a rider with the absolute best bike , programmed with the absolute best data strategies? A. YES. Q5. So us there any point. Value or validity in having a rider contest and WC in MotoGP? A. NO. (except really there is cos far too many fans are too daft to accept the truth even when it is laid out in front

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 7:19 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


MM's winning run might get interrupted, but as long as there is the situation there is in MotoGP then the general trend in Repsol and Movistar success will continue whoever they select to lead the teams. The saddest thing is the raft of posters queuing up to actually prove what I said. So many determined to ignore the big picture while determined to prove its MM's ability that is the reason for all the winning. Stupid. MM might well be the best rider in a team on any bike you put him on. That still doesn't mean he could win in this field on anything other than a factory Honda and quite possibly on a Factory Yamaha. The odds a say that if MM was on the Forward Yam he'd be doing a brilliant job - just like AE is. And finishing where AE is too. Which MEANS? That MM is racing between 1 & 3 guys with a fair chance against him. THATS what's important. Too difficult for you?

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 3:48 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


It is the total refusal by so many people claiming to be motorcycle Grand Prix supporters to accept that their chosen sport has been reduced to a 'show' - even when it is so blindingly obvious AND it is repeatedly pointed out that I find ludicrous and unacceptable. Sorry, but GPRacing has been able to sink to this level purely because it's a level that the viewers are prepared to accept without complaint and without transferring their allegiance to something more worthy. It's now truly "motorcycle racing for dummies" when it used to be proper racing for a discerning, intelligent and knowledgeable audience. Now it just seems to be a show for people whose idea of a debate is to get shouty & insulting & who just want to cheer for a "winner" and abuse a "loser" without giving a damn if it's even a fair contest. MotoGP now belongs to an audience who it seems for the most part I would never want to have anything to do with. Which is why I no longer consider myself a supporter - j

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 4:51 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


@ R6Ryder. There may well be some truth in your post. Fact us none if us know for sure. A big part of that never knowing is down to the sheer amount of technology and what it does on a MotoGP bike. We can never know how much is Marquez and how much is Honda. Same goes for Dani, Jorge and Vale. Rossi's own stint at Ducati ironically disproved his own 80% rider sound byte as well as dramatically proving what Honda claimed which was it's mainly about the bike (given their 2 positions you can understand this). Rossi can challenge on a Factory Yam. Dovi could on a Satellite Yam (relatively). Neither could on a Ducati. No one wins on a satellite or privateer bike. You've got to be dumber than a bag of hammers not to be able to work out from MotoGP that without a Factory Yam or Honda you have no real chance. It's not just about Factory Yam and Honda. What about the other 18 guys riding their asses off for crumbs off the table?

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 10:52 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


@ Pork Pie You might try looking up the career of one Eddie Lawson if you want to see a precedent for a rider before VR switching marque (onto one a main rival claimed EL could not have won a WC on). EL switched & back-to-backed WC's. To those (you know who you are): As for the rest of the childish overblown exaggerated drivel..... it has not been inferred that any average Joe could ride a Repsol Honda to wins you childish lot. It has been inferred that other MotoGP riders could do so. Same old rubbish - take a reasonable suggestion then try to discredit it by blowing it out of all proportion. Purile. Yes there has always been machine disparity. But that does not mean it has to stay that way or get worse. At least before the Mfrs went OTT with the electronics you knew it was the rider doing all the controlling and application of the controls as well, so you could respect & appreciate the skill demo & feel the kudos was well earned. I know. Im wasting my time. Id have more hop

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 4:42 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


....... it is inevitable that technology used as if is in MotoGP both erodes the rider competition and erodes the input and effect of rider talent I'm the outcome. Which means true sporting competition is eroded. Which means the whole point of Racing is destroyed. That's just how if is. It does not take a genius to draw these simple and obvious conclusions. The shame is that so many clearly do not 'get' a basic principle I could get a bright 10 year old to grasp completely.


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