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TalentFan

June 17, 2014 9:18 PM

MotoGP » Nakamoto: Racing is in Honda’s DNA


Nakamoto grudgingly admitted that a rev limit would work.... but stayed well away from admitting it would also remove the need for some v v expensive exotic materials, also pneumatic valves etc. In other words take away a lot of the advantages Honda can afford to spend on better than anyone else. In the meantime Honda have the customer RCV as a rolling testbed as a contingency, so they'll have a jump start with std valvegear data ( just in case). Vast budgets give them options no one else can compete with. He also didnt mention that Honda are vehemently against a rev limit in MotoGP (unless the limit was so high it didnt affect them of course - justvlike they have stopped bitching about the spec software now its going to have so much scope it wont curb their data-handling advantages IMO). Look up inscrutable in a dictionary - there ought to be a reference and picture of Nakamoto next to it!

TalentFan

June 18, 2014 11:18 AM

MotoGP » Marquez: MotoGP titles matter more than records


Ezpeleta is a self-serving politician IMO. So there will be lots said about what they will do to improve competitiveness by making spec ECU & software compulsory for 2016 - to give the impression that they are proactive and working hard for the benefit of GPs and the fans. Meanwhile behind closed doors the reality is clearly going to be nothing like that - the signs are all there if you look past the Surface at what difference will really occur - ie none. So I can safely predict that the number of non factory wins in MotoGP will be NIL in 2016, & the general status quo unchanged from now. So - great news if you are a mindless factory rider sycophantic football-fan mentality type then. And a kick in the teeth if you are a genuine racing fan. Marquez fans rejoice! I can confidently predict massive success for 'your' rider for the foreseeable future!

TalentFan

June 17, 2014 8:36 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: MotoGP titles matter more than records


@ Ian33 No probs. In truth a lot of my deeply unpopular ramblings have been a pointless and wasted effort, in a vain attempt to inject something that will get posters actually thinking instead of spouting mindless football fan mentality vitriol. I'm still asking myself why I ever thought that was wise lol. There are a few regular posters on here whose efforts I enjoy, and whose commentary can be illuminating and informative, as well as entertaining. As you say though, theres an awful lot of garbage to sift through to unearth the odd gem. Crash aint a hotspot for independent thinkers, its more a place to join a herd IMO.

TalentFan

June 18, 2014 9:56 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: MotoGP titles matter more than records


@ Truefan. Cheers! Im thinking this to be more of a brief flurry of posts, then another hiatus. I still catch up on the MotoGP races (I used to hate to miss a live race but often now I watch a replay) but its now more of an idle curiosity to see if anything new occurs rather than the passion I had for so many years. So no worries about me getting uptight about it - I've accepted that GPs are a dead duck for a real racing enthusiast so its value to me is not worth it. @ Realist. Unlike me you seem to really getting into it. Ive seen all your recent posts, and I have to say that your growing Marquez fetish is bordering on evangelism, and (to someone like me) really quite disturbing! I'm seeing 93 posters, tee shirts and baseball caps in your near future! Each to their own I guess.

TalentFan

June 18, 2014 7:39 AM

MotoGP » Marquez: MotoGP titles matter more than records


@ AussieNSW See above for my take on the electronics and 2016. As for Dorna.... clearly they are more interested in providing the IMPRESSION that they are taking control of the situation then they are about genuinely changing anything for the better. As for electronics needed as a rider couldnt handle 280bhp without aids... well surely sense prevails here and we acknowledge that then 280bhp is too much? The teams job should be to provide the perfect balance of power and user-friendly and tyre-friendly power delivery for their pilot to utilise better than anyone else over race distance to gain victories? Take away electronic rider aids and the above is EXACTLY what teams would do, as it would self-regulate. It would also cost a fortune less, and enable many more teams to have a competitive package. A no-brainer. Also why Honda fight tooth and nail for as much technical complexity and threaten to leave every time a rev limit is proposed.

TalentFan

June 17, 2014 8:59 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: MotoGP titles matter more than records


@ Justwatch Sorry for boring you lol. Good job I am not writing to be in a popularity contest! But yes - what you say about throttle being used like an on/off switch instead of needing very fine control is exactly what I mean about rider skill being removed in GP. It is obvious this is dumbing-down the rider contribution, so why do most fans seem to believe this is not super-important in what is a skill sport, and in what is meant to be the toughest pinnacle of our sport for a rider to compete in? It has been claimed now that a Moto2 bike is actually harder to ride at the limit than a premier class MotoGP bike! It should not be tougher in a feeder class - MotoGP should be the ultimate challenge IMO.

TalentFan

June 17, 2014 6:12 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: MotoGP titles matter more than records


Btw I'm not knocking the riders as such. But I feel it is valid to say that their achievements are undermined by the rider aids and the huge disparity that electronics gives the big budget mfr teams. Is that the modern era riders fault? No. They are victims here really and only a very select few get any chance of glory. The rest are consigned to bit part players despite buckets of talent. The mfrs are there to win and promote their brands not to be sporting. The ones responsible for managing the sport properly and who have failed GPs utterly are Dorna IMO. It is their poor husbandry that means most riders will never get to truly compete, and those that do get to win can have that win validity coloured by the fact they did it riding an OTT tech-ridden, skill replacing 2 wheeled electronic gadget. If Marquez's wins and titles are held to be far less worthy than (say) Lawsons by people like me old enough to remember them, then we need to look to Dorna as the catalyst for that IMO.

TalentFan

June 18, 2014 7:30 AM

MotoGP » Marquez: MotoGP titles matter more than records


@ lexis The big concern is that 2016 looks already to have been derailed, and the s Ec ecu and spec software will actually change little or nothing. Why? Cos it looks like Dorna have caved in to mfr pressure (and/or made a weak and dumb decision) by ramping up the facilities and I/O the ecu has, and the sophistication of the spec software to factory type levels. Remember the furore when the indie teams complained about the spec s-ware update, & that only Ducati in Open had the data resources to use it? Look for the same again. Honda has 10x the data handling and solutions staff, therefore arguably 100x more ability to fine tune the settings better and faster than any satellite team can at any meeting. Factor in their vast databanks of data solutions they can adapt too..... you get the picture. Dont expect 2016 to bring real racing back to MotoGP imo. Its a smokescreen & a con job.

TalentFan

June 17, 2014 8:24 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: MotoGP titles matter more than records


@ cfsteezy Of course I agree theres a lot of skill required, not to mention big spuds for a motogp rider. You mention things that they "still" have to manage. Yes of course, but riders used to have to do all those things before.... as well as all the tasks that the bike now does for them. Problem is, is that the things the bike and its software took over tend to be things that really seperated the very, very good from the great. Getting a bike off the line, and throttle control are key core skills. But now they simply arent necessary on a modern MotoGP bike. Engage launch control, and whack the gas on and let the TC sort out what to give the tyre really, really isn't the same challenge at all. I cant fly a jet, but I can fly in an airliner. That doesnt make me as skilled as a pilot. An airliner has autopilot... but if it went wrong the captain could land it, while I would crash it. Bad metaphor maybe, but I'm sure you get the point?


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