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TalentFan

May 20, 2013 6:11 PM

MOTOGP » Le Mans: Crutchlow - Coughing blood to podium champagne


@ jerginz You may (MAY) have a valid point. I would say though that its impossible to state its the case. The pool of riders who've got the chance to move from a satellite to full factory is very small, while the chances of failing to make the grade are much, much more likely than the likelihood of succeeding. Why? Experienced fast guys used to the kit and the data, the teams etc. etc. as well as being fast-tracked due to being damn good mean that ANY Satellite guy moving up is a No2 status rider and on the back foot from the get go, while the straight-to-factory guys are fully settled in and supported from day 1 and have the budgets and support. So your statement is no more than a guess really. For all we know Alex Espagaro might just be the best rider in MotoGp right now, let alone CC - IF given the opportunity on equal kit to learn and compete.

TalentFan

May 20, 2013 5:52 PM

MOTOGP » Le Mans: Dovizioso 'so happy' after strong race


@ jambop I take your point about VR moving forward - but also you have to concede that moving forward from a poor quali is just as likely as it is that you'll move backwards from a great quali! In this instance, then overall finishing position will be a relevant indicator (despite the fact that competitive factors change year-on-year - e.g. Spies had a 'mare 2012 which took one full factory top-4 bike out of the running for virtually the whole season - its a freak and unlikely to be repeated. This of course benefitted loads of riders, notably Dovi of course with all those podiums). Over a season and as an average it'll be an interesting stat to compare VR's quali and race finish positions with Dovi's. This still won't be definitive & show how COMPETITIVE each finish was (as I've explained) but as its over a season its probably a fair yardstick.

TalentFan

May 20, 2013 2:47 PM

MOTOGP » Le Mans: Crutchlow - Coughing blood to podium champagne


@ see ya. Lets not forget that MotoGP still has 4 Japanese factory bikes with much , MUCH greater resources and data than anyone else. Even if we disregard the Ducatis' as well as the other satellite bikes to race against, that suggests that 5th is the best Cal ought to be able to get (on paper) in the dry. Yes you can say cal's bike is very good - but he doesn't have full factory support and resources to use. This means that to get 4th or better needs a problem or DNF for those with better resources, or for those woth better resources to not perform anything like as well as CC for Cal to get on the box. This happened yesterday and he took his chance. Due to the way things are, it'll take something similar to happen again for Cal to have the chance to podium again - even if he's riding slightly better than VR, JL, DP & MM at the time. Trying to say if he doesn't podium consistently CC would be failing is simplistic nonsense. You have to have perspective and judge how he's doing

TalentFan

May 20, 2013 2:27 PM

MOTOGP » Le Mans: Dovizioso 'so happy' after strong race


@ jambop. tell you what - lets turn this on its head, and imagine instead that it was VR riding the Ducati, with the same performance and the same result. Now - what do you think the comments from the VR faithful would be? I'll tell you. It'd be all about how the bike held him back, and that if he'd had been on a Yamaha he'd have smoked the field, and that only his amazing talent got that heap as high as 4th. All praise Vale! Instead it was Dovi, and so he won't get accorded the same treatment. Meanwhile VR did have his Yamaha, and was being beaten fair and square by Dovi on 1 Duke, and pressured hard by Hayden on the other and then crashed. Anyone can crash so I'm not bashing Rossi - but why can't you credit Dovi when he deserves it?

TalentFan

May 20, 2013 2:08 PM

MOTOGP » Le Mans: Dovizioso 'so happy' after strong race


@ jambop. The thing is, when talking about Dovi's Le Mans performance throughout the weekend there are no ifs buts or maybe's. He got a well-fought 4th in a race where the competition was strong. Not once have I mentioned or compared this to VR's rides on the Ducati at Le Mans (though others have made good points). My posts were purely about Dovi, in a Dovi thread. I have commented on VR elsewhere where it is more relevant. It is however inescapable that Dovi managed to qualify the Duke better than VR ever did, and also was heading Rossi while scrapping with Dani before VR crashed, and brought it home well ahead of VR yesterday as well. Dovi did well, thats it.

TalentFan

May 20, 2013 1:46 PM

MOTOGP » Le Mans: Strategic Smith shows signs of improvement


Maybe not spectacular and headline-grabbing, but Brad's 9th at Le Mans was pretty decent IMO. The changing conditions and grip levels put people on the floor who's boots the trolls on here reckon Smith isn't good enough to clean, but Brad brought it home and recovered well from a poor start and put in some good laps. I reckon Tech3 will be pretty happy with that performance at this stage. I'd be happy to see both Tech 3 riders continue to progress, do well and make it tough for anyone to displace them. Right now Pol Espagaro is having a blip while BS & CC are doing it right. Simeon's 2013 performance is putting Smiths 2012 efforts into perspective and in a good light too - Smith murdered Simeon on the Mistral, and Xavier is showing how good he can be on a better bike. Looking forward to Mugello - there's lots of sub-plots to play out at a great circuit. its been the best MGP season for some time IMO I'm glad to say - lets hope it stays that way.

TalentFan

May 20, 2013 1:32 PM

MOTOGP » Le Mans: Hayden thought 'something really good was possible'


A good strong ride from Nicky in difficult conditions. Without the Rossi incident then the form suggests that once again the 2 Ducati's would have been formation flying in line astern at the flag. Not at all sure that Hayden would have beaten Marquez and Dovi to get on the last step of the podium, but he'd have been a lot closer for sure and in with a shout. I reckon Ducati have every reason to be very satisfied with the efforts of both their Factory riders at Le Mans. Pirro as well come to that - I'm not sure, but is Pirro's 8th the best finish of 2013 by a Pramac bike? Even if it isn't its a good ride by a stand-in. lets hope this is the beginning of some genuine progress for Ducati - the series needs as many competitive bikes as it can get.

TalentFan

May 20, 2013 1:18 PM

MOTOGP » Moto2: 'Amazing feeling' for new winner Redding


Fast, competitive, measured, controlled - this ride from Scott had it all (except maybe for an iffy start). Even with a poor start SR kept his head and pulled off some great overtakes while managing to look like it was all safe and considered. The Scott Redding of 2013 is looking like a complete package. And he's still giving away 8kG to the smaller riders even with the combined bike/rider limit this season. Imagine how much of a disadvantage he had last season when the difference to Marquez was more like 20kG! Dorna HAS to want Redding in MotoGP in 2014, and teams are bound to have a lot of interest in this guy. Right now he's looking a better prospect and more mentally solid than Pol Espagaro as well. I'm hoping that Scott and Cal get seats sorted in MotoGP for 2014 - both deserve to be there and the series would be all the better with them in it.

TalentFan

May 20, 2013 1:05 PM

MOTOGP » Le Mans: Dovizioso 'so happy' after strong race


@ jambop Where in my post did I mention VR? I think its your VR fixation and determination to leap to defend VR thats causing you problems. My post was simple - an earlier poster stated that the final position was the only fact that mattered. I pointed out that its not JUST the final position, but the conditions, competition on the day and the MANNER in which that final position was earned that is also a big indicator of how good the ride was. Dovi fought hard in changeable conditions on a difficult bike right at the front with grit and determination to get a very competitive and hard-won 4th. E.g. Thats way better than a lonely and distant 4th where all the rider had to do was ride around on their own for 20 laps while the rest of the field was even slower. The position is the same, but one is a gutsy and competitive ride, while the other is not. Pretty simple to understand really!

TalentFan

May 19, 2013 10:19 PM

MOTOGP » French MotoGP, Le Mans - Race Results


I reckon what Samas said about it being Rossi's fans are why he's getting stick now is actually spot on. VR faithfull have always dished it out by the truckload. This is bound to generate retaliation when opportunity presents. I'm a good example of Samas' point. I have respect for Rossi the rider but none at all for a great many of the more boorish and extremist partisans he seems to have attracted in droves. Rossi fell today racing. I don't knock him for that as he was pushing. It's a hard truth though that lots will do to get payback from the worst elements in his fanbase.


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