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TalentFan

October 10, 2014 7:53 AM

MotoGP » No seamless downshifts for Yamaha


Dorna had to bring in CRT to stop empty grid spots, & then use the threats of rolling out further changes which would force the Mfrs out or to compete fairly before The MSMA (Honda) gave the 'concession' of providing more customer bikes. But this proved just a cynical way to maintain control of the series as their Open bike was hardly faster than a CRT but they got to sell it and increase their iron grip on MGP, while freezing out others. IMO Dorna had the right idea in CRT. If they'd had the balls to stick to their guns CRT would have produced some tidy race bikes, much more diversity of engine & chassis & enables the class to have proper racing, as the Mfrs would have had to comply technically to Dorna rules or leave the series to others that WOULD. It would have broken the Mfr stranglehold... But Dorna caved in and sold out. What you have now isn't Racing. It's just disguised as such in a glossy wrapper (which seems enough to fool a lot of fans, unfortunately).

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 8:06 PM

MotoGP » No seamless downshifts for Yamaha


Brain:
TalentFan: . Imagine someone handing you a bungee rope and saying... if run some calculations and this should stop you from splitting your head open like an over-ripe melon 2 inches from that concrete floor. Go for it and JUMP! ......
Happens every day. There are Bungee Jump business's where you can walk up to a ticket office, pay your fee, get fitted, and go jump. Its done on calculations by some guy who i doubt has the expertise of a factory GP technician..
Yes... and not to a tolerance of 2" from a concrete floor, they maintain a MUCH greater margin. So your attempt to reply is spoiled by your total failure to actually comprehend the enormity of what riders are asked to do.. risk their lives with hardly ANY direct control over the electronics. Are you SURE you aren't a Turnip?

TalentFan

October 10, 2014 7:43 AM

MotoGP » No seamless downshifts for Yamaha


The thing is, is that the technology is restricted to just a small proportion of the field. The vast data & solutions costs and inputs create a larger gulf. The fuel restriction made the technology and costs thereof more important. And so on. It's simple then. If fans want Mfrs in GP's and them to have all their toys, then GPs need to be Mfr Teams ONLY. The riders can be well paid employees and any Riders WC will be as pointless as now, but at least all teams have the same opportunity. Trouble with that is, is that Mfrs won't stay on the series when there will be only one winner and vast ever spiralling costs. GPs cannot GET or KEEP enough Mfrs & GPs would be in crisis (CRT anyone?). So instead it's half Mfrs and then they fill the grid with customer teams which get 3rd class status from Mfrs & Dorna & Fans which aren't allowed to compete against Mfrs fairly. That is NOT a race series, and no worthy Rider Contest at all.

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 8:46 PM

MotoGP » No seamless downshifts for Yamaha


Tell you what!! Hey CRASH! How about you run one of your Polls? Ask your members... What is the MAIN reason you watch Motorcycle Racing, and MotoGP? Is it: a) Because I like the technology b) Because I want to see the best International Star Riders contest a Race and see who wins. And when (not if, WHEN) the result overwhelmingly comes out in favour of option b).... ask yourself why then, is the Rider treated like the 2nd, 3rd or 4th class citizen, and it is the Mfrs who get everything they want at the expense of the true Stars and the real interest, value and importance in MotoGP? (Brain, in case you missed the point - thats the RIDERS).

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 8:35 PM

MotoGP » No seamless downshifts for Yamaha


Brain: Dorna knows what the sport is intended to be, and it will die a quick death without the manufacturers.
So YOU say. Based on What? Racing started without Mfrs, and can always survive without them. Back to what you've been fed again eh? WHY can't it survive? You think that the worlds best racers and tracks cannot attract Teams and Sponsors without Manufacturer entries... but you cannot provide an actual solid argument to sustain that... because its not true.
I keep asking this question, and you dumpties never answer. Why in the hell would you want to change GP to a series that already exists under numerous different entities all across the globe.
What GP's could be is NOT like any other series. It has the best riders, on the best circuits, and much going for it to make it different. The fact that the technology and Mfr power has ruined it as a race series, does not have to mean that if you address that you diminish GP's - yo

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 8:01 PM

MotoGP » No seamless downshifts for Yamaha


Brain you fail to see one very important and generally overlooked thing... Racing does not need manufacturers. Humans can find a way to race pretty much ANYTHING and make a contest out of it. Its a myth perpetrated BY the manufacturer's that Racing needs them. In fact its the opposite... Mfrs need and use Racing as a very effective way to reach a very large audience - each one a potential customer. But.. each Mfr would like to force the rules in their favour, as to be seen to be winning in front of that audience increases your (positive) exposure and airtime by a massive amount, while diminishing the return of your business rival. Racing should look after Racing, and keep the Mfrs on a tight leash. If they want to plug their brand in your race series, then they should damn well play by the rules set and enforced to be fair by the series organiser... or choose not to enter. Dorna has either forgotten that, never knew it, or plain sold out for a fast buck and an easy life. You j

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 8:29 PM

MotoGP » No seamless downshifts for Yamaha


Brain: The manufacturers are there for totally different reason than you are in front of your TV. They could not care less if you are entertained, they are there to win, PERIOD.
Now here we agree! But while you see it as a good thing, I see it as a very bad thing. The Mfrs don't care about Sport. They care nothing for the Racing. They care about winning as it creates lots of airtime and promotion for their business. Which means they could care less about fair. They could care less if Riders waste their careers and risk their lives without ever being given a chance to actually do properly what they went there for... to RACE. They just care about themselves. So why should Racing bend over backwards so they can exploit it and then just dump it when it no longer suits them?

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 8:22 PM

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@ mrfill It'd always be a constant battle that would never end, and would require the evolution of rules every season in order to minimise advantage. But.. while that is more work for the organisers, at least it would be far better than just letting the Mfr dogs off the leash so that they can run around carping all over your lawn, and ruining your race series, ensuring no-one but chosen ones got competitive kit, restricting their own rivals etc etc etc?? How many winners have there been in the last couple of seasons? How many Teams have won races in the last couple of seasons? How long is it since a non-factory team got a win? How many of the entrants have even an outside chance of a win? And yet, stupid people will try to tell you that MotoGP is a tremendous racing series, and that the same guys only win as they are better riders.


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