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TalentFan

September 16, 2014 2:43 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP weight changes, software freeze


..... So however clever it is... its still a MotoGP-specific dead-end with no direct engineering and commercial application for the data and solutions, as they can simply run an engine at lower rpms and get better returns. By RSMick "Engine size, output and speed have nothing to do with it, nor the fuel that matter. Come on Talentfan your not thick, are you?" All I can think of is a vague connection you're trying to imply to the proposed CoW Race Track. Which (if I am reading you right) STILL has sod-all to do with Honda's spending to gain advantage to market their products. CoW would stand or fall just the same if MotoGP bikes banned data-logging, gyroscopes, TC, & imposed an 11k rev ceiling for the engines! You're just misdirecting again Mick... you cannot find a way to discredit waht I have said about Honda, Budgets, Gearboxes and the silly Fuel Limits... so you try to head off on a tangent. You missed your calling... you'd make a cracking Politician.

TalentFan

September 16, 2014 3:07 PM

MotoGP » Eugene Laverty confirms MotoGP move


Ok SB... Given that the evidence is there every single race weekend that (being generous) 20% of the field is truly front-running competitive..... while the other 80% are in a further 3 levels of uncompetitiveness...... If YOU were a Racer, and weren't being offered one of the top 4 bikes from the top 2 Factory Teams.... Why would YOU want to be there? Me? I can only think of a few things.. 1. The natural Ego of a successful up-and-coming racer is that his talent and ability will be demonstrated, and that he can make the difference. 2. As 1. above, tempered with the idea that his obvious talent will mean the big Factory teams cannot afford NOT to have him so will promote him 3. Prestige. 4. Money and earning potential (current and future) from having been a GP Star. Endorsements and so forth. 5. Fame. There are lots of possible reasons why a Racer would want to be in MotoGP, despite knowing the ride they will get on will be uncompetitive.

TalentFan

September 16, 2014 1:50 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP weight changes, software freeze


See above too Bob. I have only picked a rough fuel cons figure... but if you worked out the average distance of a GP, then a GP bike cannot do more than about 5Km/L or 20ish UK Imp Mpg (for our American friends I think thats about 19mpg). Now... think about it. 20mpg. Thats the best a MotoGP engine can do, when used as intended. With the very, very best engineers in THE WORLD working on them. What does this tell us? It tells us that the strategies for fuel economy are absolutely RUBBISH for any practical commercial transportation application. Also why Honda's own NC bikes only rev to 7k in pursuit of economy with reasonable performance, and can manage 4 TIMES what a MotoGP engine does. The fuel strategy development argument is a CON. It cannot be anything else.

TalentFan

September 16, 2014 1:03 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP weight changes, software freeze


RSMick:
SasquatchBob: Isn't fuel optimisation technology something than can filter down to all types of engine?
The reason the manufacturers race teams want it, to price money from manufacturing's R&D.
This reply from RSMick is misdirection (see my above post). There's NO point in developing technology when much simpler, cheaper, more effective and efficient methods do the job so much better. There isn't a single practical reason nor application why a road or industrial engine would need to operate at 16k revs and produce 250+BHP, from less than 1 litre capacity and a 4-cylinder layout. The ONLY application of such development is in the artificially created environment currently by the rules-set in MotoGP.

TalentFan

September 16, 2014 2:29 PM

MotoGP » Eugene Laverty confirms MotoGP move


RSMick: Sigh! Northern Ireland actually. So why do you think they sign? Do you think they haven't seen Motogp before? It may be worth letting them know. The correct passport seems to be British next year.
Maybe they still think that they'll get a shot on a Factory bike if they are good enough? Maybe because WSBK is going down the toilet, and once you've been on the international stage you don't want to go back to domestic? Maybe because (despite its issues) that MotoGP is still seen as the pinnacle, and a rider wants to be known as a GP Rider? You tell me!

TalentFan

September 16, 2014 2:51 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP weight changes, software freeze


RSMick: Again very difficult and complex, but where do you get your HRC development figures from, I showed you €20m including development a year.
Where'd you get your Euro 20 Mill Budget figure from? Even if you have a source, you have no more idea than I do just how much funding is drawn from elsewhere within the Honda Corp, or is bought and paid for in another aspect of the company and the cost not directly applied to the HRC / MotoGP effort. Misdirection AGAIN. You demand I prove that Honda spemd big... and I provide reasonable tangibles that do indeed suggest strongly that this is the case. Without being their Accountant I can do no more. And... NEITHER CAN YOU! Why so determined to defend Honda and prove that Honda doesn't do what all the available information patently says that it does? You're a slippery customer, & thats a fact. Stop wriggling and misdirecting - Time YOU proved YOUR points, by DISPROVING mine I think.

TalentFan

September 16, 2014 2:36 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP weight changes, software freeze


SasquatchBob:
TalentFan: Now... think about it. 20mpg. Thats the best a MotoGP engine can do, when used as intended. With the very, very best engineers in THE WORLD working on them.
I'll be honest, I don't think 20mpg for an engine which revs as high as it does, being driven as hard as it is, is anything like bad. Bear in mind, the official figure for a 2014 Yamaha R1 is only 35mpg. And that will have been measured at optimum level, not full throttle. I've had cars that do less than 20mph when driven hard.
Yes Bob. And 20mpg is outstanding, for an engine operating under the parameters and conditions it does. But 20mpg is still rubbish in todays world. And what works at 16k revs with its associated throughput of air/fuel, and high losses due to its extreme performance are going to present different solutions to what will ever be used commercially. So however clever it is... its still a MotoGP-specific dead-end with no direct

TalentFan

September 16, 2014 1:36 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP weight changes, software freeze


SasquatchBob: Honda and Yamaha will spend huge sums of money developing fuel economy solutions for a whole range of applications. I absolutely don't believe that the R&D research for the same thing in MotoGP doesn't filter through into that work, and vice versa.
Because Bob, its a sledgehammer to crack a nut thats already been cracked. You can achieve much better economy by reducing rpms and still make ample power... so why develop solutions for an rpm range you have no intention of using (back to Honda's own NC bikes again)? Seeing as Honda's car division are already leading development of economy strategies at the engine speeds that WILL actually be used (indeed where the NC bikes GOT their economic motors from), and where the mechanical efficiencies to start with are WAY higher than in high rpm motor.... then this HAS to mean that HRC are spending all this money JUST TO WIN in MotoGP. C'mon Bob - you're not thick. You can see the absolute sense in what I'm

TalentFan

September 16, 2014 1:27 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP weight changes, software freeze


RSMick: How do you know they spent significantly?
I've read technical articles that have said just how hard it is to go seamless with ONE CLUTCH (NOT DUAL Mick) - very, VERY complex and difficult, and therefore expensive. Just for MotoGP.
If you cannot see that the fuel technology ALL THE MANUFACTURES agreed to will not help production engines in anything, then you really are blinkered.
I can see it just fine. Just not within MotoGP specific parameters which won't occur anywhere else. So the data for development is pointless.
One area you should realise it will help is very close to home for you?
You've lost me there. In what arena anywhere is a single-clutch seamless, 6-speed, 1-litre 4-cyl, 16krpm, engine that can produce about 260bhp and drive a bike at about 4kM per Litre (18mpg UK Imp Gall) fuel cons help me?

TalentFan

September 16, 2014 1:16 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP weight changes, software freeze


SasquatchBob: I simply don't believe though that huge sums of money are being spent on fuel economy solutions and that Honda aren't using that research and technology to improve their automotive and other motorsport products. That makes no sense at all.
It depends on your outlook. If you recognise that MotoGP is a global vehicle to get your Brand in front of a mass audience, and that success in front of that audience creates a positive brand image, which then indirectly results in sales through positive marketing.... Then it makes perfect sense. Do you have any idea just how expensive it would be to try and reach that same audience simply through advertising or other means? Honda & Yam clearly feel that what they spend for the return they get by spending to dominate in MotoGP is good value. That value and return would be seriously damaged by not winning.


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