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TalentFan

October 09, 2014 8:17 AM

WSBK » Dorna: We need to go to growing markets


grantrd: This is a wsbk thread you idiots....
Yes it is. And Dorna aren't really doing anything positive for it, they are just applying the same flawed mechanics of MotoGP to WSBk. The key issue is understanding the Product Dorna are selling to Fans. The Product states Racing on the label. So the Racing has to be quality to attract an audience. The audience then attracts sponsors. And so on. Just taking a product that has had no real attempt made on it so that it can be attractive and saleable to new tracks is not good enough. Carp at a new track will still be carp. The fudged & diluted rules for 2015 to pander to Mfrs first & Racing 2nd AGAIN by Dorna is the problem. Grantrd. It's YOU that is the idiot if you cannot see that.

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 12:54 PM
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MotoGP » Crutchlow: Motegi hard braking good for me


RSMick: M2 is 125Hp 600cc Honda's, and is not the top class, and does not have the top riders in it now does it. BSB boys ride with no TC etc. and over 200BHP 1000s, and provide better racing. Imagine the MotoGP stars on BSB spec bikes at an Intl circuit! Now THAT'd be something to watch, and would make MotoGP races look predictable, lame and boring.
Because Motogp is about man, machine and marvelous engineering.
The problem is the Balance... the audience tune in to watch the Man more than anything (& its all 'sold' on the Rider Contest).. but the Politics, Mfr Power & the Machine & Technology is actually determining which rider gets Trophies, and which one languishes in obscurity, NOT the rider ability. And you and I both know it.

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 12:45 PM

MotoGP » Crutchlow: Motegi hard braking good for me


.....THIS is why the ONLY way to create Product Quality and Value for the Spectator, is to reduce the technology & costs to a level where equipment parity can be introduced, which the added benefit that the reduced tech demands top Rider Skill, in turn adding integrity and value to MotoGP. Take away artificial aids, and getting machines plenty powerful enough and demanding enough for even the worlds best is NO problem.

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 12:44 PM

MotoGP » Crutchlow: Motegi hard braking good for me


....... You might want to consider just what that might have meant in career terms for your own favourite rider, Dovi (who has showed the potential IMO to be good enough to challenge the very, very best if on comparable kit & support)? RSMick gets all defensive cos I don't like all the electronic rider aids. Others row about which guy is rubbish despite gulfs in support & opportunity. For me it is simple. The vast majority watch to see the RIDERS contest, so this is the primary Product on Sale. The riders ALL need therefore a truly competitive equipment and support opportunity, AND for that equipment to require them to exercise and demonstrate their Talents in full in order for the Riders Contest to be high quality product. It is impossible to generate any equipment parity with the current rules and dependence upon data and data solutions, and super-high tech seamless etc.. as even in MotoGP most teams simply cannot afford to compete. THIS is why the ONLY way to create Product Qu

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 12:33 PM

MotoGP » Crutchlow: Motegi hard braking good for me


Codger: TalentFan.....when you give up trying to convert us all, may I suggest that you turn to watching Curling. You'd have a much less stressful time. The only thing that can be discussed is if the Dorna equivalent has fixed the ice sweeping brush allocation. All else is equal.
Very funny. Hey - its up to you lot. You spend all your time b1tch1ing about which rider is best, while utterly failing to understand that you're incessant arguments about X being better than Y because of (insert opinion here) are mainly because MotoGP doesn't provide a formula where the riders can settle the rows where they should... on Track. What exactly is so wrong about wanting to have a series where the best international tracks get raced on by the world's best racers in a fair contest of skill, off a level playing field so that all the stars have to EARN their laurels fair n square against their peers? You might want to consider just what that might have meant in career term

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 12:25 PM

MotoGP » Crutchlow: Motegi hard braking good for me


NineTimes: @ Talentfan Can we at least agree that Cal had exactly the same bike as Dovi when he got his box checked by him?
It would seem very likely that is the case, yes 9x. In fact, hasn't CC actually openly stated that Dovi is able to get things out of the Ducati that he cannot & has acknowledged how much better Dovi is doing? That does not mean that CC might not have as much pace as Dovi on another bike (e.g. the T3 partnership was closer by far), but I have held Dovi (& am on record for this) in high regard for a long time - he's a damn fine rider. You're asking a question that has already been answered, just to have a bit of a prod at CC I think. I'm not a Fanboy of CC or any other 9x, I am a fan of all the riders, so if your motivation is to try and get a rise out of me I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree!

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 9:26 AM

MotoGP » Crutchlow: Motegi hard braking good for me


Go away Mick. You're all smoke & mirrors. There is either proper racing fostered by a race series or there isn't. And Dorna as an organisation cares not at all if their series have any genuine Sporting pretensions or not... Just so long as they manage to screw money out if it. All your wordplay & misdirection cannot change that. Again... Why do you ALWAYS defend & support the Establishment & the Status Quo? I'm thinking personal vested interest myself.

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 10:16 AM

MotoGP » Crutchlow: Motegi hard braking good for me


"I have a massive personal interest, I love the sport and the talent within it, those on and off the bike." And yet you defend and support a system which damages the sport you claim to love through the removal of sporting competition, and which ensures nearly all of the riders you claim to love are denied any real chance to compete. Just like a Politician... What you claim is your motivation is clearly at odds with what you actually support, which actually damages that which you claim to have the best interests at heart for. Snake Oil Salesman or just Oily Politician?

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 10:04 AM

MotoGP » Crutchlow: Motegi hard braking good for me


The reason that Dorna and their such like can be so successful while patently NOT doing what they say they are doing, while conning the consumer.... Is the same reasons people like RSMick can spout all their rubbish and have people believe it and support it. If people weren't like they are, then Politicians would actually have to do something for the genuine good and justifiable, rather than just shove their snouts in the trough. Guess which general category I have you filed under Mick? Let's just say I have as much faith and place as much credibility in what you lost and your motives for doing so... as I would on the words of 99.9% of Politicians.

TalentFan

October 09, 2014 8:03 AM

MotoGP » Crutchlow: Motegi hard braking good for me


Look at Roo's post above. Completely ignores the Reason & Logic I put forward to 9x's post.... And continues the same old " x is better than y because" old argument. So someone else can say " ah but x had this n that while y only had the other, so really y would beat x". And so it goes on and on and on ..... Aren't you getting it yet? It's right in front of you, AND I'm waving a big flag while pointing to it!!!! THE PROBLEM IS THAT DORNA'S MOTOGP DOES NOT PROVIDE A FAIR LEVEL COMPETITIVE RACING ENVIRONMENT FOR THE ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHICH RIDER IS BEST TO EVER BE REASONABLY PROVED & SETTLED. EVER. Maybe if fans stopped bickering about riders & started demanding Dorna provided a proper Rackng Series instead, then the riders can settle the rows about who is best for you, using their skills in a proper Race. Just when are fans going to stop scratching at the itch all the time and start asking for the cure to the disease?????


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