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TalentFan

June 23, 2014 4:38 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


No Brain. I'm not a Rossi fan. It sounds terribly old fashioned and boring even to me... But when you draw a line in the sand it does all come down to the principle of the thing. I'm a Racing Fan far more than I could ever be a fan of one rider. But I respect any rider that earns his victories through his own efforts, skill, talent, intelligence and guts against worthy opponents with a genuinely fair and sporting opportunity on a level playing field. Sadly in MotoGP not a single rider gets the chance to do that. Either they are being beaten out of sight by lesser equipment, support and limitations imposed upon them, or they have great success that is forever tainted and devalued by the fact that most of the field did not have the tools , the support, the technology it even perhaps the permission to mount a fair challenge. You may love technology. But if is inevitable that technology used as if is in MotoGP both erodes the rider competition and erodes the input and effect of rid

TalentFan

June 24, 2014 7:25 AM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


It does seem that most posters on tbis thread could not arrive at a logical and sensible, even obvious conclusion even if there was a massive pink neon sign pointing to it. I never cease to be amazed by just how dense people can be. No wonder Dorna and the Media don't have to work very hard or bother to come up with any really clever suberfuges to hide the fact that MotoGP is a playing field so tilted its nearly a cliff-face, and that the technology is now the overriding factor in who wins. They dont have to try, cos their target audience is basically lacking in the thinking department. Crash does an exce,lent job of showcasing THAT fact. C'mon Crash Moderator! Ive been expecting my posts to have been delected, and for me to have been labelled with Trolling hours ago!

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 11:36 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


@ Pork Pie Given the NSR500's rep for being an evil hairtrigger rocketship with shopping cart roadholding, then many considered it very much a backward step, not a forward step. Wasnt it Gardner who claimed Lawson could not gave won the WC and would not if he rode the NSR? Whatever the actual reasons and motivations, fact is Lawson did it successfully. Steady Eddie is probably the most understated, underrated and finest rider of the era with all factors taken into account (IMO). Best of all, Eddie did ALL his own riding. No x-box rider skill replacement electrickery to do his job for him & blur the issue and on machinery much, much harder to race on.

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 7:19 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


MM's winning run might get interrupted, but as long as there is the situation there is in MotoGP then the general trend in Repsol and Movistar success will continue whoever they select to lead the teams. The saddest thing is the raft of posters queuing up to actually prove what I said. So many determined to ignore the big picture while determined to prove its MM's ability that is the reason for all the winning. Stupid. MM might well be the best rider in a team on any bike you put him on. That still doesn't mean he could win in this field on anything other than a factory Honda and quite possibly on a Factory Yamaha. The odds a say that if MM was on the Forward Yam he'd be doing a brilliant job - just like AE is. And finishing where AE is too. Which MEANS? That MM is racing between 1 & 3 guys with a fair chance against him. THATS what's important. Too difficult for you?

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 4:51 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


@ R6Ryder. There may well be some truth in your post. Fact us none if us know for sure. A big part of that never knowing is down to the sheer amount of technology and what it does on a MotoGP bike. We can never know how much is Marquez and how much is Honda. Same goes for Dani, Jorge and Vale. Rossi's own stint at Ducati ironically disproved his own 80% rider sound byte as well as dramatically proving what Honda claimed which was it's mainly about the bike (given their 2 positions you can understand this). Rossi can challenge on a Factory Yam. Dovi could on a Satellite Yam (relatively). Neither could on a Ducati. No one wins on a satellite or privateer bike. You've got to be dumber than a bag of hammers not to be able to work out from MotoGP that without a Factory Yam or Honda you have no real chance. It's not just about Factory Yam and Honda. What about the other 18 guys riding their asses off for crumbs off the table?

TalentFan

June 24, 2014 12:06 AM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


@ PP Good grief - who ever said I blamed Marquez ofthe state if MotoGP and the electronics and tilted playing field? Certainly not me. I can say that I cannot respect the wins and titles gained under such circumstances (& yes that means I dont consider any of the riders titles where such electronic systems and intervention was rife) to be worth what they ought to be worth. I hold Dorna responsible for their total failure to manage MotoGP. I wouldnt trust Ezpeleta and his cronies to run a bath. Actually, I have no idea what became of Icke. He was way too potty for me to be concerned with what he got up to.

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 11:45 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


PorkPie:
TalentFan:You deserve the nicely packaged dross Dorna serve you - you're too busy mouthing off about riders to cotton on that youre being had.
Didn't David Icke say exactly the same about the mass media, during his 'I am the son of God' days?
Maybe I AM David Icke (visions of loads if Yanks & spotty brits going "Who?").... typing away with one hand, with a nice partisan cheese sandwich in the other. I know. I need to leave Crash & MotoGP to those of you who appreciate its fine qualities. Youre very welcome to it PP, & in scintillating and razor sharp company I may say. Enjoy.

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 10:52 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


@ Pork Pie You might try looking up the career of one Eddie Lawson if you want to see a precedent for a rider before VR switching marque (onto one a main rival claimed EL could not have won a WC on). EL switched & back-to-backed WC's. To those (you know who you are): As for the rest of the childish overblown exaggerated drivel..... it has not been inferred that any average Joe could ride a Repsol Honda to wins you childish lot. It has been inferred that other MotoGP riders could do so. Same old rubbish - take a reasonable suggestion then try to discredit it by blowing it out of all proportion. Purile. Yes there has always been machine disparity. But that does not mean it has to stay that way or get worse. At least before the Mfrs went OTT with the electronics you knew it was the rider doing all the controlling and application of the controls as well, so you could respect & appreciate the skill demo & feel the kudos was well earned. I know. Im wasting my time. Id have more hop

TalentFan

June 23, 2014 4:42 PM

MotoGP » Marquez: It can’t go on forever!


....... it is inevitable that technology used as if is in MotoGP both erodes the rider competition and erodes the input and effect of rider talent I'm the outcome. Which means true sporting competition is eroded. Which means the whole point of Racing is destroyed. That's just how if is. It does not take a genius to draw these simple and obvious conclusions. The shame is that so many clearly do not 'get' a basic principle I could get a bright 10 year old to grasp completely.


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