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TalentFan

July 31, 2014 7:15 AM

WSBK » Suzuki keen to retain Lowes, Laverty for 2015


For sure as RSMick points out Sportsbikes are a dying breed. However that doesnt have to mean that a Superbike series is definitely doomed. As usual theres the assumption that its the Superbike that is the Product ( so if they arent selling then neither can a race series that uses them ). For 1 thing (for mfrs & sponsors) its their Brand they are promoting, not necessarily the model. But the main thing is to recognise and nurture the Real Product. If Dorna want a successful WSBK series then they MUST provide Real, Entertaining, honest RACING. Despite its uber everything MotoGP is failing massively in its true core Product also. If Motorcycle Racing is to survive as a World Series with a global TV audience then it cannot depend purely on its value as a sales & marketing vehicle to the Mfrs. It needs to focus on its own Product, RACING. Then there'll be good rides available to the Eugene's of this world. Dorna have been dismal at managing Motorcycle Racing so far.

TalentFan

July 30, 2014 8:47 PM

WSBK » Suzuki keen to retain Lowes, Laverty for 2015


EL should aim for another top team spot in WSBK over a team hopelessly disadvantaged in MotoGP I reckon. MotoGP is never going to offer EL a competitive opportunity. Just like the 18 or so riders doing little more than providing some track space filling already. IMO no rider good enough to warrant any MotoGP grid spot on merit should actually take a ride there. Not until Dorna provide an environment where those riders get a genuine chance to race for wins with genuinely competitive equipment. MotoGP is a career killer for most who enter, and not necessarily because the rider wasn't good enough. EL should steer clear.

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 8:03 AM

MotoGP » Hayden ‘already thinking about next year’


I think both the Dorna international series face a crisis in the future unless theres a serious rethinking of their strategy. Fans want to see a gladiatorial contest between riders. Fans want the modern day gladiators to need skills and talents as well as balls in order to win. Fans want a win to be hard fought against strong worthy rivals. Fans want to be entertained. A series dominated by a fast computer, where the equipment breaks a field of 22 into 4 hopelessly disparate tiers of pace and budgets simply wont cut it. Sure Americans want to see one if their own. But not if hes on a no hope grid filler ride - it could even have a negative effect as fans feel its an insult and a rip off to take the trouble to travel to a circuit and buy a ticket. Nicky (like all the other supporting cast grid fillers in Dorna's MotoGP) deserves so much better.

TalentFan

July 30, 2014 9:10 PM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


RSMick: Well you could try this: cyclenews.coverleaf.com/cyclenews/20120626?#pg34 or maybe this: motorcyclenews.com/mcn/sport/sportresults/motogp/2012/april/apr1312-budget-cap-impossible-to-police/ That took 2 mins. but please counteract
Ive not had the chance to read them, but I dont really have to. You consider journalistic articles to be PROOF of something Mick? Youd be the first to say the same thing if the shoe was kn tbe other foot. The only thing reliable about you, is your never-ending effort to put a positive spin on anything Honda related.

TalentFan

July 30, 2014 9:03 PM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


RSMick:
TalentFan: HRC visibly have masses of electronics staff in the pit,
Haha never let up, there are actually 4, 2 poached from Yamaha in 2011. Now look at the Kawasaki WSB pit, whose electronics are far more advanced that what Honda Motogp have with more rider aids. However their coding engineers won't be as good.
Still misdirecting eh Mick? Kawasaki arent in MotoGP as a factory. So what they spend in WSBK has no relevance to what Honda spends in MotoGP now does it. Honda dominates MotoGP directly & indirectly through BUDGET. All your twisting and turning like an eel does not change that.

TalentFan

July 30, 2014 8:12 PM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


@ RSMick Its great how you try to infer that so many others are wrong and cannot prove that Honda spend a lot more than anyone else to ensure their dominance, despite all the supporting evidence that indeed they do. And yet..... you offer not a single shred of evidence or proof to support your suggestion that Honda isnt the big spender in MotoGP. If my post is waffle, then yours are what? I think the word is "biased".

TalentFan

July 30, 2014 8:22 PM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


V4Poweeeer: Has anyone ever thought that maybe Honda is better at building motorcycles regardless of budget???
Be serious. Even with Hondas economies of scale with road bikes they couldnt develop new models much cheaper than their rivals, so to suggest they could do so in MotoGP is simply daft. Elecronics and data solutions rules MotoGP now (just as Honda pushed for). HRC visibly have masses of electronics staff in the pit, but its very likely that behjnd the scenes there is hjndreds of man hours and computer time being racked up processing data many times faster and in more detail than any other team. Thats how they have the best rider aids setup in the shortest possible time frame. That costs money. Lots of money.

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 7:37 AM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


@RSMick I have the same opinion about huge budget, Factory teams & electronics displacing skill and true competition in WSBK as I do in MotoGP. But.... there has at least been closer competition and more podium finishers in WSBK so its been better from a racing and viewing perspective by far than MotoGP. But yes the 2 series have the same issues. MotoGP is the biggest series though. Also the one under discussion. So you bringing Kawa & their electronics and spending in WSBK as an argument against what Honda do in MotoGP is irrelevant. Im sure youre right that Aprilia & Kawa ultimately win most in WSBK through Budget & Spending. Just like Honda dominate MotoGP through Budget & Spending. Dorna are letting wealthy mfrs slowly smother both international motorcycle racing series they so-called manage. Dorna needs to be a far better and stronger custodian of both series.

TalentFan

July 30, 2014 3:49 PM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


In any case RSMick.... Honda have been the driving force behind most of the changes that have escalated the costs of competing in MotoGP. The sheer complexity and associated costs of optimising the machines under the current rules set is largely HRC's doing (either directly through proposing and lobbying for, or by strongly resisting simpler solutions to restrict ultimate performance like having a much lower rev limit, removal of TC etc. - even useless Dorna have put forward such things). All this says that Honda WANT MotoGP to be damned expensive and costly to develop optimised solutions for ultimate speed..... which means they are happy to spend bigger than anyone else, as it means they can spend to gain advantage that others cannot hope to match. And so it has proved.

TalentFan

July 31, 2014 8:21 AM

MotoGP » Red Bull increases Honda backing


Btw . If anyone needs proof that Honda are happy to buy their way to dominance then forget trying to find and prove figures noone but Honda will ever know. Just look at what they do. As a previous poster rightly points out, their seamless gearbox is 1 of many good examples. Rules ban dual clutch seamless gearboxes. So Honda spent what must have been vast sums in order to bypass the rules and develop an uber complex single clutch seamless box. A fortune spent to gain an advantage in MotoGP, developing something that has no application outside of MotoGP. If anyone wants proof of Honda's willingness and ability to spend in order to gain advantage, and drive up the cost of competing in order to maintain unfair advantage.... then here it is.


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