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Codger

August 19, 2014 10:16 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Marc’s wins the rider, mine the Honda...


SkyWilk......I do want to go down that route. You can't compare. Rossi's stats are ruined by his 2 year stint on the Ducati, while Lozzer enjoyed 2 years on the sweet handling Yamaha. If it had happened the other way round then it's a whole different story. The 2012 Title would have gone to Rossi. ( I doubt that the 2011 one would. :) ) " He isnt faster or better than JLO, he never was.................." He was in 08 and 09, wasn't he ? So far this year too. ps.....Why did you bring Stoner into it ?

Codger

August 21, 2014 3:17 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Marc’s wins the rider, mine the Honda...


Good post Brian. The last sentence is open to debate. Mediocre or not they were the best in the World at the time. It will be sad in more ways than one if in a few years time punters are saying that Marquez had mediocre talent to race against. You've just proved that Rossi is mediocre, Dani can't string a season together and, for whatever reason, Lozzer is below his usual standard. It all goes to making MotoGP the best sport that there has ever been. (that's if you don't count chucking Christians to lions in Roman times)

Codger

August 20, 2014 6:13 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Marc’s wins the rider, mine the Honda...


SkyWilk.......I concede, now that I know where your figures came from. A couple of points to mention.....you left out 2008 and 2014 where Rossi has out scored Jorge. Secondly, as SasquatchBob points out the stats flatter Lorenzo a little. I still stand by my post that started all this, a direct comparison of the two is impossible, too many outside influences, tyres, broken legs, one was a rookie, getting used to a bike designed for someone else, etc.etc. Somebody predicted that Lorenzo will outscore Rossi from now on, which will prove your point that Jorge is faster than Rossi. The history books will still show that at the end of the season Rossi finished ahead. Stats, I just love them.

Codger

August 20, 2014 1:02 PM

MotoGP » Rossi: Marc’s wins the rider, mine the Honda...


grantrd....Bridgestone put the wall up I don't understand the first bit. Are you saying that if a rider wins the Title for a factory team then he should be grateful to them for paying him ? I don't think that if they had paid Biaggi more he would have won the Championship for Yamaha. I agree that Rossi caught a cold on 'me or him', and you are right, he was fortunate that they took him back. He's doing well for them again, so maybe they are the fortunate ones. Maybe we should drop Rossi and try and decide whether Jorge is better than Stoner ?

Codger

August 20, 2014 9:15 AM

MotoGP » Rossi: Marc’s wins the rider, mine the Honda...


Bloody hell....what have I started. No I am not blind. My original post was to point out that to compare Lozzer and Rossi is not possible, NOT that one was a better rider than the other. Bringing in Doohan is irrelevant. Bringing in Stoner is irrelevant too. The comparison is between VR and JL. Why suggest that Jorge was better than Rossi when the Italian suffered a broken leg ? (I'm not saying he wasn't better, just that it is not a true comparison.) grantrd.......Rossi left Yamaha because, despite what he had done for them, they wanted to cut his wages to give Jorge more money. It was a principle thing, nothing to do with Lorenzo, and I'm sure you would have done similar in your line of work. I agree on Eddie though.


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