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Tetley

November 02, 2015 8:20 PM

MotoGP » Honda: Data shows Rossi 'kick' on Marquez


Why did Marquez pull into his pit immediately after he remounted ? The bike was obviously capable of continuing. Tha data which needs to be released by Honda is the data which shows the condition of his bike after the incident. A kick hard enough to topple a bike and rider would surely leave a tell-tale mark. VR's leg movement was clearly a resuly of being hit by Marquez's helmet. And THAT is an illegal move and deserves penalty.

Tetley

November 02, 2015 5:00 PM

MotoGP » Honda: Data shows Rossi 'kick' on Marquez


Painless: Have a look at the helicopter view. youtube.com/watch?v=VDsosN6vtJk Running out of track? There is at least 1.5 metres of track to the left when Marquez falls off.
Excellent observation. It shows that VR had passed MM and therefore could ride whatever part of the track he chose. MM was behind VR and had the choice of staying there or trying to re-pass. He chose to go up the outside of VR, lunged into him, hit him with his helmet and fell off while there was still lots of space to his outside. There was room for MM to fall off and slide on the track so at no time did VR push MM off track.

Tetley

November 02, 2015 2:43 PM

MotoGP » Honda: Data shows Rossi 'kick' on Marquez


ayan.art: the brake guard only guards from crashes not from somebody deliberate hitting it. .
Not so. The brake guards were introduced after a number of incidents when bikes collided and the brake lever was accidentally applied, notably when during a start-line dash someone slowed, Capirossi ran into them causing his brake lever to touch them, and Capi was somersalted down the track. Also It is virtually impossible at any speed for a heavily booted foot to get round the brake guard in a split second without moving or damaging or leaving a mark on the guard or the lever and without getting stuck. Racing boots have armour and limited movement to make them resistant to twisting and turning. They also have bulky toe-sliders which would make it inconceivable to do what you are claiming.

Tetley

November 02, 2015 1:52 PM

MotoGP » Honda: Data shows Rossi 'kick' on Marquez


Shuhei “VR intentionally pushed MM towards the outside of the track, which is out of the rules. The data from MM's bike shows that he was picking up the bike to avoid contact, his front brake lever suddenly received an impact . this was a result of VR's kick. The data acquisition from MM's bike is available if anybody from Dorna, the FIM or media want to check.” “Pushed" implies contact. There was no contact until MM dipped and hit VR with his helmet. “which is out of the Rules “ It is only against the rules if caused by contact. “was picking up the bike trying to avoid contact with Valentino, his front brake lever suddenly received an impact “ Shuhei conveniently omits to mention that between those two actions, MM dipped towards VR and hit him with his helmet. “a result of Rossi's kick” RD say there was no evidence of a kick. One week after the incident is plenty of time to “doctor” the data. It can only be relied upon if provided immediately after the race.

Tetley

November 02, 2015 8:43 PM

MotoGP » Honda: Data shows Rossi 'kick' on Marquez


geoffrey.spears.52:
Tetley: “Ye canna change the laws of physics, Jim”
The action was perfectly in keeping with the laws of physics. Rossi's leg movement was used to counter the force of the contact with MM's motorcycle. Rossi's deliberately wide cornering maneuver created a situation where contact was likely and he maintained his proximity to MM by matching his braking to MM's until that contact happened. When he felt the contact, Rossi "kneed out" to counter the force and intentionally or unintentionally depressed or caused to be depressed MM's brake lever.
Your understanding of Physics is flawed. What you say is gibberish. VR’s hypothetical “kick” would have deviated either both or neither machine. Also an armoured and rigid boot with toe-sliders is not delicate enough to miss the guard and operate the brake in a split second and leave no mark. MM initiated the contact when he accelerated from behind VR and hit him with his he

Tetley

November 02, 2015 8:00 PM

MotoGP » Honda: Data shows Rossi 'kick' on Marquez


liviusun: @ garcia Yes, humans are as strong as donkeys when kicking while on motorcycles.
I'll say it again- Funny how so many posters can ignore the Laws of Physics. Remember the one about "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"? When a man kicks a ball, the ball moves away, but here we are talking about two men on motorcycles, each motorcycle weighing the same as the other and the small difference in the weight of the riders making negligible difference to the overall package when the speed is taken into account. (Another Law of Physics, force = mass x velocity ) Therefore, if VR kicked MM's bike there could only be one of two results. ONE- both bikes would be deviated, or TWO- the strength of the kick would be insufficient to deviate either bike. Therefore VR's leg movement is proven to have no effect in MM losing control and falling off. “Ye canna change the laws of physics, Jim”

Tetley

November 02, 2015 6:01 PM

MotoGP » Honda: Data shows Rossi 'kick' on Marquez


phil321:
Garcia: Everyone posting links... ok I'll post too... Look at Rossi's left leg, and tell me that he didn't deliberately kick! www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH1UAjVpQ3A
LOL "he didn't deliberately kick" looks more like his leg was pulled away.
The footage ( sorry for the pun ) of the previous corners shows that about 12 sec before the collision VR had lost his left leg from the peg in a precisely similar manner, with MM nowhere near him.


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