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Tetley

December 02, 2014 1:42 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP ‘not far’ from 2016 agreement


mrfill: @tetley Sensors just collect data,!
My point exactly ! Fewer sensors would limit the amount of data available to collect, which would generate the benefits which I have mentioned. Also, If kids can hack the Pentagon's computers, then an ECU will be an easy nut to crack and then hide secrets. I'd also query your statement that one team can look at another's data. Surely each team downloads and stores its own collected data on it's own discrete systems which are not networked for other teams to see? K.I.S.S. is my motto for reducing costs and limiting the advantages of big budgets. And limiting the number of sensors would tackle the problem at its root. Like I said - I've they haven't got it they can't use or manipulate it.

Tetley

December 02, 2014 12:38 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP ‘not far’ from 2016 agreement


mrfill:
Tetley: I have suggested several times that a limit should be placed on the number of electronic sensors allowed. This would limit what the teams can ask the ECU to do, and will go toward levelling the rich teams with the poorer ones.
The number of 'sensors' doesn't matter. Tuning nowadays is more geek based than oily rags.
Your points seem to contradict each other. Fewer sensors equals fewer parameters equals less scope for electronic advantage. If they haven't got it no amount of money can manipulate it. Fewer sensors would limit the cost and advantage of employing more geeks than less wealthy teams. Fewer sensors would limit the opportunities for hacking the std ECU or installing secret enhancements. There are clever geeks who are capable of cheating this way. The number of sensors is easier to police than electronic invisibles. Fewer sensors would be a move toward what all enthusiasts want - a return to riding skills.

Tetley

December 03, 2014 12:36 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP pay TV 'something we must face'


Somersetlemon: Well I will not pay to watch sport on TV under any circumstances. I have seen no Moto GP this year, but have watched a lot of WSBK on Eurosport, and also BSB.
The part which worries me is that Dorna also owns WSBK, so it is entirely possible that Superbikes will follow MotoGP into pay-per-view, losing thousands, if not millions of viewers, leading into terminal decline of the sport.

Tetley

December 03, 2014 12:55 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP pay TV 'something we must face'


shamarone: anybody who's in sales or who's business works off of referrals knows the best advertising is WORD OF MOUTH.
The problem with sweeping , all-encompassing statements like that is that they are true, but also not true. True, the best advertising is "word of mouth". NOT true to say "anybody who's in Sales or Marketing " as this would include Dorna and every other company in the pay-to-view chain, and they do NOT seem to be aware of the importance of word of mouth. In my view all the participant companies between Dorna and us enthusiasts signed up on the promise of huge audiences which have not been achieved, and will be looking for a better use of their advertising budget when their current contracts expire.

Tetley

December 02, 2014 2:22 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP pay TV 'something we must face'


Suppo says “I've never had - potential sponsors who've said, 'ahhh no, because there is no free TV coverage'.” That’s because the current Sponsors were recruited pre-season with the promise of huge viewing figures. Those figures have not been achieved and Sponsors will now be looking for wider exposure elsewhere, which places doubt on whether they will renew when contracts expire. Less sponsorship for the teams means Dorna have to increase their financial support to the teams by the same amount as Sponsors cash lost. These diminishing returns will eventually make pay-to-view uneconomical for Dorna, UNLESS they seriously reduce subscription costs to attract more viewers. The price for pay-to-view will have to plummet dramatically before I subscribe. They have all forgotten that the spectator is any sport’s major asset. And fewer spectators means less income for organisers and participants

Tetley

December 02, 2014 5:17 PM
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MotoGP » MotoGP ‘not far’ from 2016 agreement


mrfill:
Tetley: I'd also query your statement that one team can look at another's data.
I think you missed the point. You can have all the data in the world but its only useful if you can use it. If the program does not process your data, it won't help.
NO, they cannot look at each others data, and you concede this later in your post.
An ECU is just a box of components. You can't 'hide' anything. Its sealed. The ECU is not networked so cannot be hacked.
And you are missing my point. I am aware of the rules about ECU's. I am not referring to one team hacking into another teams ECU. I am saying it is possible for a team to hide their secrets by hacking their OWN ECU’s and secretly using their own software enhancements. You are just stating the rules. I am saying that some teams have the ability to secretly bypass the rules. But they can’t process data which they are prevented from harvesting by fewer sensors

Tetley

December 01, 2014 6:50 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP ‘not far’ from 2016 agreement


mrfill: There has been a standard ECU for ages. What there has not been is standard software. This is coming for 2016. Any team may submit changes to the software and any changes are passed to ALL teams. i.e. the software is open and there can be no secrets. A level playing field in other words (and about time...) There will be no classes - one set of rules for all. So long as the engine makers cannot dictate which maps can be used, it will reduce considerably the advantage the factory Hondas and Yamahas have and will increase the need for rider skill to win. Is that such a bad thing? A standard ECU is vital, as is standard software.
I have suggested several times that a limit should be placed on the number of electronic sensors allowed. This would limit what the teams can ask the ECU to do, and will go toward levelling the rich teams with the poorer ones.


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