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Tetley

March 06, 2014 12:32 PM

MotoGP » Ducati software heading to Open ECU?


The important point, which many seem to be missing, is that Ducati are sharing their software with every other other "Open" team and therefore giving up any advantages they may have had. Marelli are not obliged to use any or all of Ducati's programming, and will withold any aspect which would favour Ducati and dis-favour the other teams. Yamaha have also supplied their data to Marelli. Honda, on the other hand, want to keep their software top secret and permanently preserve any advantage they may have. The only injustice which I see is that Marelli introduced the new, improved, upgraded ECU at such a late date. However, that is not Ducati's fault, as Dorna control what Marelli is allowed to offer. A better way of introducing the improved ECU would have been to issue it to all Open teams but not permit it's use for racing until, say, half-way through the season. That would negate any advantage that the improved system gave immediately to Ducati.

Tetley

March 08, 2014 10:07 AM
Last Edited 126 days ago

MotoGP » MotoGP Factory 2 triggered by Ducati 'advantage'


ProfessorX: "The people pushing it's all a Honda conspiracy really don't understand what the circus' business model is all about."
I for one DO understand the business model, AND the politics utilised to ensure the business model's success. But I don't want to watch Business Model racing. I don't want to watch Political racing. I want to watch MotoGP racing. I want to watch racing where the Rules are determined months beforehand so teams can decide their strategies for the coming season, and have those rules strictly complied with by all. Changing Rules so late in the game can ruin a teams planned strategy. When Lividio Suppo said a few days ago " We will have to discuss this with Dorna" it reminded me of the thugs in the soaps " 'avin' a word" with the characters they dominate.

Tetley

March 07, 2014 4:33 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP Factory 2 triggered by Ducati 'advantage'


Dorna has crumbled to Honda's demands. Honda has won. They have beaten Dorna. They have beaten the Rules. They have beaten the spectators and the enthusiasts.They have beaten their rivals into a weaker position before the lights have gone out and before a wheel has turned. They have beaten the Sport. It is futile for any other team, except the two factory Yamahas, to think they stand a chance while Honda can have the Rules changed always in their favour.. The series is fixed. The outcome is pre-determined. I've lost faith in the competition. That's it for me. Suddenly Formula One appears fairer.

Tetley

March 07, 2014 11:56 AM

MotoGP » MotoGP to create Factory 2 class?


I am thoroughly disillusioned by the concept of Factory 2. It seems the Rules are set in custard and are not finalised until Honda is happy . And subject to further change if another team starts an initiative which Honda don't approve of. No other Team forces so many Rule changes as Honda. They are not a sporting team. They are a manipulative organisation. Honda's objections to Ducati's decisions are merely to regain competitive status in the wake of Honda's own mistakes in interpretation of the Rules. A few days ago I was full of enthusiasm for the Factory and Open arrangement and looking forward eagerly to the forthcoming MotoGP season. But now I see that the match is fixed, unlike the rules which not only change immediately before the flag drops, but now intend to change mid-season if the clever teams are too successful. I'm not prone to profanity, But please, Honda, FECK OFF.

Tetley

March 07, 2014 12:23 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP to create Factory 2 class?


Garcia: "TalentFan, Why do you blame Honda? The open class rule was too loose and Ducati and Yamaha decided to take advantage of it."
Garcia, you have answered your own question. THE RULES may have allowed new interpretations but they were THE RULES and any Team manager who did not read THE RULES properly and take maximum advantage from THE RULES is a fool. THE RULES are published in advance of the season and THE RULES specify the circumstances under which every Team is allowed to compete. All Teams must produce packages which comply with THE RULES. THE RULES determine how each Team plans it's strategy for the season ahead. Honda is the ONLY team to regard THE RULES as optional, and subject to change, and they use their MIGHT, not their RIGHT, to manipulate THE RULES to include aspects to their own advantage and remove aspects which give advantage to other Teams. Honda are ruining the sporting aspect of racing.

Tetley

March 06, 2014 12:04 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP to create Factory 2 class?


Insidejob: "Not looking good. Will they have a new set of rules for each race?" .
No. Not for each race. They are continuing with a policy which they have been operating for several years, namely, a different set of Rules for specific teams. Some examples are , ONE not allowing an independent British team to compete using an engine with roadbike based crankcases, TWO rookies are not allowed to go straight into factory teams, THREE rookies ARE allowed to go straight into Factory teams, FOUR dual clutch gearboxes are forbidden but (more expensive) seamless shift gearboxes are allowed. Honda have benefitted directly from the last three of these examples. I’m sure you can think of many other examples. This latest abomination comes only a day after Mike Webb said they intended to manoeuvre the series into one-class only. Let me suggest a new last minute rule " No manufacturers are allowed to race if their name begins with “H”. That would eliminate all the bitching.

Tetley

March 06, 2014 12:13 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP to create Factory 2 class?


Just for reference, here is my posting from yesterday. "MotoGP Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision" Revealed today in motosportmagazine.com Quote "The reality is that Dorna want everyone, factories included, running Open bikes as soon as possible, which is why they keep building more and more benefits into the Open regulations. We have dangled all these carrots with the intention of getting the factories to seriously consider changing to Open rules, running the Dorna software," says MotoGP Race Director Mike Webb. "Our ideal situation is that they will add it all up and say that’s what they want to do because what we want is all the bikes on the grid running under one set of rules. Running both Open and Factory classes within the MotoGP class was never our intention. it’s just one step along the road.” Unquote. Conclusion? Lividio and Knackermotors should save their breath. NEW conclusion, don't believe that anything Dorna says is fact or truth.

Tetley

March 05, 2014 11:07 AM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


therealDave: The only way to ever have a properly functioning (equally competitive) series over a long term, is to cap teams and in particular, factories total budgets. You are only allowed to spend X amount for the year in total on your racing program.
That's an ideal notion, but the problem is "How do you monitor what they spend?". They could buy things before the previous year end so they don't appear in "this" years spend. They could re-fit parts used the previous year - clip-ons, footrests, etc. They could get things "free" from other companies in which they may have invested or favoured by orders for production-line items. They could buy items for their teams on their gardening or paper clip or other spurious budgets. There are far too many ways to get round such a cap.

Tetley

March 05, 2014 11:33 AM
Last Edited 130 days ago

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


Revealed today in motosportmagazine.com Quote "The reality is that Dorna want everyone, factories included, running Open bikes as soon as possible, which is why they keep building more and more benefits into the Open regulations. We have dangled all these carrots with the intention of getting the factories to seriously consider changing to Open rules, running the Dorna software, says MotoGP Race Director Mike Webb. Our ideal situation is that they will add it all up and say that’s what they want to do because what we want is all the bikes on the grid running under one set of rules. Running both Open and Factory classes within the MotoGP class was never our intention. it’s just one step along the road.” Unquote. Conclusion? Lividio and Knackermotors should save their breath.


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