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JimmyJimmy

June 04, 2012 7:19 AM
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MotoGP » Stoner podium run comes to ‘disappointing’ end


Firstly, the Honda clearly has issues related to the generation of rear gip. Both Stoner and Pedrosa have stated this numerous times from pre-season testing and in the races this season. Secondly, Pedrosa beat Stoner yesterday because he did a better job at setting up his machine for the conditions. Two very simple points. Not sure how you are muddling them to be in any way addressed by your most recent post.

JimmyJimmy

June 04, 2012 9:20 AM
Last Edited 869 days ago

MotoGP » Stoner podium run comes to ‘disappointing’ end


Hi Dave So we're talking the six completed championship years from 2006 to 2011? Let's look at the facts, then cast our opinions. Two championships apiece. 33 wins to Stoner, 26 wins to Rossi (if those figures aren't exact, they're close). Rossi on a premium bike for 5 years (2006 to 2010). Stoner on a premium bike for 2 years (2007 and 2011. imo 2007 is a stretch as the next best Duke was 7th and I doubt any other rider could have ridden that bike to the championship, but, what the hell, let's not quibble). That's the facts. Now for the opinions... Rossi over-achieved? On a premium bike for 5 of the 6 years. Hard to make a case for over-achievement. Stoner under-achieved? On a premium bike for 2 years, won the championship in each of those years. On a satellite bike in 2006, on a POS Duke for an additional 3 years from 2008 to 2010. Hard to make a case for under-achievement. Who ha

JimmyJimmy

June 04, 2012 7:42 AM
Last Edited 869 days ago

MotoGP » Stoner podium run comes to ‘disappointing’ end


@samas "Ps where's Swiss Judge, he must be over the moon." He's working 12 hour shifts to raise the money for this Saturday night's cask of cheap wine. Interesting race, wasn't it? Lorenzo flying, Pedrosa out-performing Stoner, Stoner getting it so wrong after showing excellent pre-race pace, Dovi out-performing Stoner, Crutchlow getting a taste of running with a top rider, Bautista performing a bit better, Rossi having a better outing with the battle for third in sight, Spies showing speed then getting it all wrong then fighting back well, the Honda's making the judgement they couldn't run the soft tyre. I found the whole thing pretty interesting. How'd you see it?

JimmyJimmy

June 04, 2012 4:52 AM
Last Edited 869 days ago

MotoGP » Stoner podium run comes to ‘disappointing’ end


@TedG Good points. One of the things I notice on this forum is the complete overreaction to isolated results. Hell, people come out with outrageous proclamations based on individual practice sessions, let alone individual race results. Pedrosa and his team nailed the setup yesterday (as in, got the Honda going as well as it was going to go). Stoner and his team got it wrong, hence the result. It's simple. No major revelations or major insights. Well done Dani and team. To get the setup right is very difficult. The fact these guys (Lorenzo, Stoner, and Pedrosa) get it right so often speaks volumes about their talent and their teams' talent. But they all get it wrong every now and then. Happened every now and then last year. It will happen every now and then this year - for all of them. It's not a sign that someone has lost the plot. It's just a sign that it's difficult to nail the setup every time, particularly when conditions change.

JimmyJimmy

June 04, 2012 4:19 AM
Last Edited 869 days ago

MotoGP » Stoner podium run comes to ‘disappointing’ end


@motojunky "Why isn't Pedro having these issues?" Umm... He is. We know he is because he has told us he is. He has told us about the chatter and he told us that his rear wet had no grip (because his bike destroyed it) in the latter stages of the Le Mans race, same as Stoner. The Honda has issues related to the how rear grip is being generated. Both factory riders have told us this. I doubt that you are right about Stoner not having his heart in it since his retirement announcement. I'd say he is busting to prove that he's still committed to winning this year. We're both guessing, but that's my guess. Rather than losing heart, I think there's some easily observable (motorsport-based) explanations for his two relatively poor performances since his announcement. Firstly, in Le Mans, the Honda was much harder on the wet rear than the other bikes to the point the rear had no grip in the latter part of the race. In Catal

JimmyJimmy

June 04, 2012 3:09 AM

MotoGP » Stoner podium run comes to ‘disappointing’ end


@pcxmac "So the real question is: Does Bautista suffer from chatter?" Ok, I'll bite. :) Why is this the "real" question? I've thought about what it means if the answer is "yes". I've thought about what it means if the answer is "no". In either scenario, I couldn't think of anything that makes either the question, or a prospective answer, meaningful. You're going to have to spell it out.

JimmyJimmy

June 04, 2012 1:39 AM

MotoGP » Stoner podium run comes to ‘disappointing’ end


Honda have serious issues. If they don't fix the chatter, this year's title will be going to Jorge. At the Le Mans round the Honda chewed through the wet rear to leave both factory riders with no rear grip in the latter stages of the race. Then, at this round, even when the conditions were cooler, the Honda riders were not game to select a soft rear for fear of it not lasting on their machines for the entire race. Meanwhile, the Yamahas had no problem with the soft tyre from start to end. The Honda riders are doing a decent job with what they've got, but the bike has serious problems. Great race from Jorge. Pedrosa was pretty impressive, particularly in the early stages. Gutsy ride from Dovi.


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