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mrfill

December 03, 2014 5:38 PM

MotoGP » 2016 MotoGP ECU to be ‘equal, easy, safe’


TF2: And we still retain all the rider aids that enhance performance to a super-high level and help it stay there consistently - so the rider competition will remain a waste of time.
But from 2016 all riders will have ALL the 'rider aids' available to them. This has been the problem up to now as some have more than others. If they all have the same, it is equal. However, the engines and frames are not equal so until they are all standardised your wish for 'rider competition' is just a pipedream. Also, all riders would have to be the same height and weight or that would make it unfair. Still, if that's what you want, you can keep right on dreaming.

mrfill

December 03, 2014 5:17 PM

MotoGP » 2016 MotoGP ECU to be ‘equal, easy, safe’


cfsteezy: Seeing how supersport and moto2 bikes lap roughly 2 seconds slower without any electronics makes the millions spent on rider aid development almost seem pointless. I would like to see a gp riders lap time without aids and then with. Like the front 4 guys. I am sure they would turn in some impressive times that would be extremely similar to the time with aids..
Oh dear. If moto2 & supersport bikes are 'without any electronics', pray tell us all how is the ignition and fuel injection controlled? Even a Honda step-thru has these nowadays. Most road bikes do. Even restored bikes now often have electronic ignition. Why do you want to return to slower, more dangerous bikes that are unlike most road bikes?

mrfill

December 03, 2014 5:28 PM

MotoGP » 2016 MotoGP ECU to be ‘equal, easy, safe’


TF2: I know loads of guys will come on and insist that I know nothing about the electronics (true).... .
So why continue to post uninformed and untrue nonsense about the subject? "The ECU will have so much power and so much capability" - Yes and EVERYONE can now use it - every bit of it. "If they want to cut costs, throw out the fuel limit and all the sensors and electronics, and introduce a sensible rev limit " Fuel injection and ignition is controlled by electronics. Without these the bike will not move. Its how they manage fuel and the fuel limit has not proved any problem. A rev limit is the most stupid idea (and would have to be controlled by electronics, which you don't want). They did this in F1 and it has been terrible.

mrfill

December 02, 2014 2:10 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP ‘not far’ from 2016 agreement


Tetley: I'd also query your statement that one team can look at another's data.
I think you missed the point. You can have all the data in the world but its only useful if you can use it. If the program does not process your data, it won't help. An ECU is just a box of components. You can't 'hide' anything. Its sealed. The software that controls the ECU is to be fixed. Standard for all. It will only accept certain data. If you want to change the software to process new data then it is passed to ALL teams who will have a chance to use it if they choose. The ECU is not networked so cannot be hacked. It has no receiver. Its like trying to tune in a corn flakes box to radio 4.

mrfill

December 02, 2014 1:20 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP ‘not far’ from 2016 agreement


@tetley Sensors just collect data, they don't allow you to alter things like fuel flow. This is what matters. The code which operates the ECU limits the number of 'adjustable things'. The code is fixed and open. That means Honda can look at Yamaha's software and if it differs from theirs (because of 'secrets') then they are bang to rights - guilty of cheating. All teams can develop the software but openly. Before implementing the code, the other teams get to see the proposed changes and can use the enhancements themselves if they want to. In other words Honda can pay millions to develop improved software but ANY team can use it for free. F1 is in a mess largely because they allow bespoke software and also PU makers do not allow customers to develop their own maps and can only use factory supplied ones, which happen to be not as good as the ones used in the factory cars - notably in Mercedes case. We don't want that!

mrfill

December 02, 2014 1:53 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP pay TV 'something we must face'


RSMick:
mrfill: Both F1 and motoGP are trying to emulate the football model which has been a cash cow for many year.
I don't think they are, they are trying to get the best deal for the services they provide, like any business, BT paid £8m for MotoGp this year, I think the figure for half the Premiership games was £360m. As BT sport still does not have many subscribers yet its not suprising the figures are down, but BT have sat on their laurels for too many years particular with their woeful broadband, but having the premiership will give Motogp more exposure with those customers (mostly pub lads who will watch in the pub more) so maybe more casual exposure than BBC2 for an hour.
Problem is the 'best deal' equates to 'most money now', not what is best for continued growth. Bums on seats will. Just look at BTCC - growing audiences on tv and track. ITV4 do a good job and do it all on Freeview. Seems to work for them...

mrfill

December 02, 2014 12:51 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP pay TV 'something we must face'


Both F1 and motoGP are trying to emulate the football model which has been a cash cow for many year. What they seem to miss is that there are only 19 or 20 races a season, whereas there are 10 Premier League games every week and then the Fa Cup, the lidl trophy, the doodah cup and so on. You can watch top stream football games most days live (if you can bear it) which means subscribers get a lot for their money - hundreds of games each season. More than 20 for sure.

mrfill

December 02, 2014 2:26 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP ‘not far’ from 2016 agreement


50 years ago the motorcycling world was in uproar. This little Japanese bloke brought his idea of a racing machine to Europe and slaughtered the archaic boneshakers that passed for racing machines. Oh how they grumbled at this. Fortunately common sense prevailed and they were accepted and all the other makers really upped their game and a genuine move forward occurred. Look at the new road bikes today. Angle dependent traction control, ABS, anti-wheelie, turbochargers etc etc Surely, the 'pinnacle of motor cycle racing' should at least be up to the level of an off-the-shelf road bike? Tuning is now done with a laptop, not a stethoscope and a screwdriver and a rider now has the chance to go way faster than was ever possible because of it, not in spite of it. The past has gone, I'm afraid.

mrfill

December 02, 2014 12:33 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP pay TV 'something we must face'


Widegrip: Can I just say, it's not free in the UK we pay a license fee of around £150 per year and I also pay a sky subscription. If they had sold it to sky I wouldn't have so much of an issue but I refuse to pay Sky, BT and the license especially as I wouldn't watch any of the other sports on BT. And as for people quoting American TV as a standard, I have to say it's the worst TV I have ever seen and personally I would keep quiet if my countries TV was that Poor ( I have moderated my language substantially here).
Well I have a TV licence (which I consider excellent value because of the radio it provides) and don't have Sky. I do not pay an extra penny to watch and do so totally legally - no dodgy streams. I can get it on my TV, phone, tablet and get replays in HD.I have a 75Mb line and have not changed ISP for 8 years. Waste your money on the Sky rubbish if you like but don't make it sound like an essential. Some of us do get full coverage and pay no extra.

mrfill

December 02, 2014 1:02 PM

MotoGP » MotoGP ‘not far’ from 2016 agreement


TF2: If Sport is just like Life and unfair, what is the point in watching a contest where the result is pre-determined by unfair advantage
So what is a fair advantage? A team of 7ft tall basketball players against a team of under 5 footers - is that fair? An unfair advantage is gained by having different classes and rules within the same category. From 2016 there will be one set of rules for all. If team X has £100m to spend and team Y have £20m, is that fair? Should team X give team Y £40m to balance things out in order to make it fairer? Some teams will always be richer than others and that is an advantage, always has been, always will be.


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