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izybluffen

December 15, 2012 2:01 PM

F1 » Stewart maintains view Vettel still isn't an F1 great


Richard - Who in their right mind wouldn't call Clark a great. He stayed with Lotus his whole career but didn't have the best car in all of those. He won races in dogs of cars and is known to be able to drive the wheels off dog cars where others struggled. He raced and won in other categories while in F1 aswell, like the Indy 500. When he died he had the record for most poles and wins and STILL has the record for most Grand Chelems, which makes him the most dominating driver in history. 63 Belguim he won by nearly 5 mins, 67 Italy he was a lap down and still won. So yeah I put Clark on top step with Senna. So what if Seb pulled off 2 pretty good races, I'm still waiting for "epic" drives where he wins them and they go in the History books. Basically when you look at what the greatest drivers have done, it's hard to be impressed by just pretty good drives !!! Seb still is no Schumi, not from 2 overdue races. I'm not sure about the reminiscing bit, he's got alot to do and plenty of time

izybluffen

December 15, 2012 1:42 PM

F1 » Revealed your ultimate F1 Driver of the Day


Richard - You also make it obvious that Seb is your favorite driver with your rose coloured glasses !! Majority of people voted Ferdi (and I bet alot if those people aren't Ferdi fans) so obviously majority of people don't hold Seb in high opinion regardless of his stats. What are you gonna do....... Pick on everybody one by one that doesn't agree with your's and Angelina's opinions ???

izybluffen

December 15, 2012 1:13 PM
Last Edited 677 days ago

F1 » Stewart maintains view Vettel still isn't an F1 great


cont - if he doesn't, he doesn't. The stakes and awesomeness to be a great have risen heaps because of the last two. I'm mean they are the two greatest drivers in the history of the sport. You don't just get given that honor, it must be proven in many diff ways. Just give Seb time, not premature ejec........... The guy might get there one day. But seriously though, whats all this fascination about calling Seb a great with the best drivers in history??? Ferdi is arguably considered the best driver in F1 and nobody is talking about calling him a great so why try with Seb ??? Is this a fanboy joke that normal F1 fans don't get ??

izybluffen

December 15, 2012 1:09 PM

F1 » Stewart maintains view Vettel still isn't an F1 great


apart from that, each year the red bull is different, so seb is in effect driving a different car each year. this year, he was not driving the best car, yet still drove it better than anyone else. Richard, everybody drives a diff car each year and Ferdi or Lulu didn't get to drive any RB's. Seb arguably still had the best car this year, not a RB7 but Newey worked hard to get Seb extra downforce. Look, the last great was Schu, so if Seb is gonna be a great than he needs to match or better his efforts as an example and you and I both know that is a massive mountain to climb. Seb is no where near being on the level Schu was in his day, I dont like him but god damn he put in countless drives, did incredible things on the track, came through the field too many times. I remember him passing 2 cars on 6 and 7 at Suzuka in 97 or 98..... epic move it was. I wish you blokes would stop trying to lower the "great" level so you can put Seb in there. If he gets there he does, if he doesn't he does

izybluffen

December 15, 2012 3:50 AM

F1 » Stewart maintains view Vettel still isn't an F1 great


I agree totally with Dan and Marty. @ Richard - How can you say he has proven his ability when he hasn't moved to a lesser team and "proved" himself. That's the real test that defines a driver if he can raise himself to the next level which the "greats" have all done. What we are saying is Sebs turn is coming up if he and his fanboys and critics regard him to become a "great". Like I said somewhere, I will call Seb a great IF he achieves it. Schu went to the Fez in 1996 and did some amazing things in that crap box. Seb has to prove he is on that or close to that level to become great, not just cause his fanboys say so. Also i agree to an extent you cant judge diff era drivers, but the fanboys are doing it with Sebs statistics and F1 is always the same in 1 car is the best and others can be crap...... That's how you know when the next superstar comes along because they do excellent in a crapbox which hasn't happened since Schumi.

izybluffen

December 13, 2012 11:51 PM
Last Edited 679 days ago

F1 » Stewart maintains view Vettel still isn't an F1 great


You guys..... I've already tried having this whole debate with JohnO. His basic idea is to try and make the RB look bad so he can "try" and make Seb look better than he is. I still agree with Stewart. To me a true "great" is a driver who does amazing thing before and after they have the best car, drove "epic" races for the history books and generally be know as easily the best driver in the field. Seb is not easily the best driver, I would say Ferdi is. Seb did nothing outright in the STR as Monza was a fluke - All the front runners were caught out in quali because of rain and started well down the field so he didn't beat them outright and fair and square, but still he took the lucky opportunity and grabbed it so he does score some points there. Compare that to Senna's first win where he did win quali and the race fair and square by skill. His first 2 years at Lotus he got 15 poles and 4 wins, compared to Sebs lucky 1 and 1. Thats the difference between a great and pretty good driver

izybluffen

December 13, 2012 2:56 AM

F1 » Stewart: 2012 'as good as we could have had'


@ Johno - So you think because of Webber that the RB7 was not a dominate car ??? Alonso 2WDC he had way more competition from people with close car performance. BTW Im fair to Vettle when its due. I just can't stand people claiming he is a Schu, Clark, Fangio or Senna. Anyway pleas write me a list of who "dominated" without a dominate car. There a very few people who won a WDC without the best car, but dominate the season without a dominate car, you will be hard pressed to find one.

izybluffen

December 13, 2012 1:52 AM
Last Edited 680 days ago

F1 » Stewart: 2012 'as good as we could have had'


@ Johno - You gotta be fair to Webber. His season was over in the first 3-4 races with the seized rear spring and multiple KERS issues which recurred all year. He hated the tyres and the clutch which RB didn't change for him until the last 4 races - then his starts improved dramatically. Also the car was perfect for Seb and Mark disliked it. So in actual fact with the combination of things Mark has a bad season. But he still got more fastest laps then Seb. So it still was domination as the car was perfect for Seb. You cant dominate without a dominate car and the RB7 was indeed that. It was Sebs perfect car. You can't dominate in a crap car. It like driving a Ford Pinto compared to a Porsche.


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