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March 04, 2014 1:33 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


TBH I think what we are witnessing is the latest in a power struggle thats been going on for ages now. Manufacturers who know how to build bloody fast prototype bikes and want to be the best at what they do. Vs Dorna Sports, a sports management, marketing and media company with fatcat shareholders who want to earn plenty dollar, and control the 'show'. well that' s my take on things!

HRC

March 04, 2014 4:01 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


TrueFan: If the aim of the rule changes was to make motor racing cheaper, consider the effect for Ducati of staying in the "Factory" class... It probably costs a minimum of 20 million euro to mount a factory team effort each year. Riders, mechanics, support, logistics, management, marketing and sponsor facilitation, r and d units, engineering, and so on. It could be much more. Ducati has a performance problem. They may need 10 engine design evolutions, and commensurate frame / suspension updates, to solve this. Under the design freeze, it could take at least four or five years - of the order of 100 million euro. Running an under performing bike that you can't fix is economic suicide to the tune of 100 million euro. It makes no sense. Open is within the rules. Get over it Livio. I love your work, an all, but on this point, I disagree entirely.
So how is 10 engine design evolutions going to save money? all you are doing is moving the spend from 'proto' to 'op

HRC

March 05, 2014 2:01 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


cont.. bringing back the option of 2-strokes (600cc?) for instance would be brilliant, they are direct injection now and applications are now cleaner than 4-stroke whilst retaining the traditional 2-stroke benefits. But that wont happen because they are banned from Motogp WHY? There are loads of other avenues that could be explored, bring it on Dorna, show some real foresight!

HRC

March 05, 2014 1:50 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


@TalentFan Well i guess that's where our views differ, you seem to think it's more about the rider, I think I should point out it is just as much about the manufacturers, they are competing as well which is why I posted up the definition of competition earlier. Reading your posts may I suggest one make series or earlystocks racing, because they would appear to suit you better than Motogp. Gp has always been about the machinery, this is fact, and why the best riders/drivers always crave the best machines, 2 or 4 wheel. Motogp is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorcycle design and IMO the rules (in general) should be opened up more, not restricted. Although saying that I do agree there should be limits, and I fully support fair ones.

HRC

March 04, 2014 6:34 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


@joeski You are wrong. Upgrades = spec........... less spec = 2nd tier........2nd tier = slower. Tech3 have never been the same spec as Yamaha factory racing, hence Cruchlows constant whining last year. Forward even less so this year, they are running different rules remember. Last time I looked there were 4 RC213v's on the grid so there goes your other myth. BTW at one point Bradl's bike was rumoured to be higher spec than the Repsols according to Julian Ryder on Eurosport.

HRC

March 04, 2014 5:09 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


Joeski: If inferior means what Aleix has been doing in the test then I will take it so.. I do not subscribe to your theory about inferior engines from yamaha...
I didn't say what Aleix has ATM is inferior, but how long do you think that would last if he started regularly beating JL and VR on the works bikes? If Yamaha went open factory, do you still think they would allow customer bikes to beat the factory? Tech 3 have have spent years trying to do just that, what I don't understand is why people lambast Honda for doing exactly the same thing Yamaha and Ducati have been doing for years!

HRC

March 04, 2014 3:55 PM

MotoGP » Honda responds to Ducati’s Open decision


Joeski: You may be right but they are still priced capped...so if Yamaha want to lease 2 factory Yamahas at half the price to Forward...I do not care.. because the idea is still a reduction in cost for independent teams and using controlled sofware within the rules. Honda needs clarity or closure which is fine since they are a part of the sport.
Yes but would they do so at a loss? especially if the rules mean their factory bikes could be beaten by a leased version. I'd imagine the same even if Yamaha went all 'open' More likely would be the lease of inferior engines so the factorys would still have an advantage regardless.


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