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March 21, 2014 2:06 PM

MotoGP » Honda explains standard ECU agreement


cheefbea: Honda always seem to be "misunderstanding" or "misinterpreting" are they stupid??
They speak Japanese. Engrish is a foreign language, and it doesn't always translate. The guys that speak English don't make the decisions. The guys that make the decisions don't speak English. Something gets lost in translation. A decision is made. In Japanese culture, you don't question the decision maker. He must not lose face, and you must not make him lose face, or you will lose face. It's easy to follow, Grasshopper. Sit down, enjoy sen cha. Sensei will explain....when he is ready. Please to be patient.

TrueFan

March 21, 2014 2:00 PM

MotoGP » Honda explains standard ECU agreement


TalentFan: @ rbr46 Where's the corner specific data settings for every road on the planet going to come from, that suit every rider and every condition? Etc., etc.
TF: The corner specific stuff only exists in your imagination. Sorry. The factory bikes have GEAR specific data settings, not corner specific. They are NOT GPS enabled either. The only GPS allowable on a MotoGP is for Dorna's (TV track posn) exclusive use. There is no way of the ECU knowing its track position. They can have lean angle, gear specific, brake action, or suspension load settings or combinations of these, but they need to work from on-board telemetry. They don't currently have any way of having corner specific settings. Full stop. Period. I'm sure I've pointed this out before.

TrueFan

March 21, 2014 2:11 PM

MotoGP » Honda explains standard ECU agreement


cheefbea:
TrueFan:
TalentFan: @ rbr46 Where's the corner specific data settings
TF: They are NOT GPS enabled either. The only GPS allowable on a MotoGP is for Dorna's (TV track posn) exclusive use. Um, yes they do.
2.4.3.5 Electronics 1) In the MotoGP class, satellite Global Positioning Systems (GPS and similar) are not permitted, except those GPS units supplied by the Organisers and used for their media and promotional purposes. No GPS or similar system may be connected (wired or wireless) to any part of the machine, other than as directed by the Organiser. Specifically it is prohibited to control any aspect of engine or motorcycle performance using the GPS signal. The Organisers may supply the GPS data to each team only after practice (or race) data download.

TrueFan

March 21, 2014 2:18 PM

MotoGP » Honda explains standard ECU agreement


TalentFan: @ Truefan You've considered that a Team could download data off all the bikes sensors and then compute solutions for each part of said track without GPS right?
Yes, and it won't work. There are so many ways it can be screwed, it would run like a dog. This is real time software. I have spent considerable time designing software and working with vehicle positioning systems. Believe me, it's easier to work with gear, lean angle and other telemetry than try to verify that where you think you are positioned is where you are positioned. Traction control works with available traction (notwithstanding that track and tyre condition changes dynamically). The physics is dependent on lean angle, suspension compression, and wheel turning drive.

TrueFan

March 21, 2014 2:20 PM

MotoGP » Honda explains standard ECU agreement


TalentFan: @ Truefan There are reported instances where a rider has for example taken a short cut after running on or gone through the pit and not reset where this has resulted on the bike being practically I rideable as the bike is setting up for section f when it's actually at section h or similar.
There you go. That's one reason why you don't do it. And when you reset it, what happens then? The software goes "where am I?" ...lost.

TrueFan

March 21, 2014 1:49 PM

MotoGP » Honda explains standard ECU agreement


Still, no-one has explained the licensing rules yet. If the manufacturers develop their own software, but make it available for the other manufacturers, the critical element is "on what terms"? e.g. Software provided by Ducati. 1. Copyright is assigned to Magneti Marelli. MM licenses other teams to use the software for MotoGP racing efforts. Then, MM integrates the software seamlessly into its software package, and includes it (or its derivatives) in any commercially available version of its ECU for racing or road use. Ducati is paid no royalty for its IP, and in fact can no longer use it other than under the terms MM now decides. Or 2. Copyright is retained by Ducati, and the software is licensed to MM with limited rights to sublicense. Ducati owns the software provided. Other manufacturers can use the software under the terms of their licence, but cannot copy or produce derivative works unless they enter into seperate licensing arrangements with Ducati. Or 3. Various combination

TrueFan

March 21, 2014 1:25 PM

MotoGP » Open ace Espargaro ponders front row, podium


Yes Yes Yes Leave Me Alone: ... However, I love that the open bikes will be right up there in qualifying and the start of the race - should certainly add some spice until half race distance!
Well, here's hoping, but we haven't quite made it to qualifying yet...JL and his factory "mates" will pick up the pace before the weekend is out. AE is proving that he's no flash in the pan though. Big props to him. It's like a breath of fresh air in this contest.

TrueFan

March 21, 2014 1:21 PM
Last Edited 27 days ago

MotoGP » Open ace Espargaro ponders front row, podium


BoZZo: This is the importance of data people on here tend to neglect. Riders attending preseason practice are all fast. Now you should understand how much Casey"s data helped Marc in his rookie year.
There's no doubt that CS's data was valuable in allowing MM to learn all aspects of how to ride the optimum lap on that Honda...but, and it's a big but, "data won't do the riding for you".


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