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Welshie

April 20, 2016 3:27 PM
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MotoGP » Official: Jorge Lorenzo joins Ducati


YZFR1: If Lorenzo at his peak can't outride a 37 year old there is something wrong. Just show me any of the riders on today's grid that will still be as competitive at the old mans age. Lorenzo is a mega talent no doubt I hope he does well at Ducati but be honest he's a bit dull and comes across as very arrogant. The jumping off the podium thing looks so very false. The Spanish fans don't even gel with Lorenzo I went to 2 rounds last year in Spain and I kid you not there can't have been more than a few hundred fans at both rounds. The guy is a genius on a bike but his personality leaves a lot to be desired.
Personality doesn't win races. Which is why Lorenzo was the 2015 MotoGP World Champion and the guy with supposedly the best personality was only crowned "The People's Champion"

Welshie

April 19, 2016 11:21 AM

MotoGP » Official: Jorge Lorenzo joins Ducati


sage:
MM the fastest rider on the grid .. What are you smoking ??? And for anyone that even remotely thinks that JL is better then rossi has serious issues ...rossi is the goat he's beaten everyone he has raced against and last year he even beat MM 14 years his junior... no one ever going to be as great as rossi ..MM will finish his career with Honda and end up with 8 to 9 championship now had rossi stayed with Honda would probably hav with 12 to 13 championships ...
He's won 2 of the last 3 WC's, including in his rookie year. I'm a Lorenzo fan but I agree that is a pretty fair statement. Rossi's finishing positions the last 6 years: 2015: 2nd 2014: 2nd 2013: 4th 2012: 6th 2011: 7th 2010: 3rd (injury) Conveniently you leave out that he beat MM last year, but he didn't beat JL. Rossi is good, but not the GOAT. If Rossi hadn't veto'd Stoner signing for Yamaha in 2006 I expect you could add a few titles to his name, a delete a few from Rossi.

Welshie

April 20, 2016 11:49 AM
Last Edited 9 days ago

MotoGP » Official: Jorge Lorenzo joins Ducati


Realist: If you really think that Rossi couldn't have gone to another manufacturer, you're as retarded as your post makes you sound, and even Jarvis and other insiders said that Rossi could have moved to other teams if he wanted to. Sure, he couldn't have gone to Repsol simply because they have a good team, and he wouldn't go back to Ducati because he has already been there, done that, and with only 2 years of racing left for him, why waste it on that bike? Staying with Yamaha made sense, especially considering his 2014 and 2015 performances. Going to Suzuki, KTM or Aprilia would have been utterly pointless. Use your head!
Yes, he could have gone elsewhere, but he did in 2011 and was made to look very ordinary when not on the best bike. Plus Suzuki, Aprilia and KTM wouldn't pay his salary demands. After what he said in his book about them, Honda wouldnt take him back in a million years....

Welshie

April 21, 2016 8:39 AM

MotoGP » Official: Jorge Lorenzo joins Ducati


Realist: Stay on beat Welshie. I already explicitly stated in a much earlier post that I was referring to Rossi's DIRECT COMPETITION......aka...the top guys on factory bikes. Maybe you need to read this discussion from the start to refresh your memory and find your bearings. :)
You said that my statement of most of the field being on 2/ was incorrect, I have just proved it to be correct. You then are moving the goal posts by now saying direct competition. If you want to talk 'direct' competition', then Rossi's only rival was his team mate, then Barros later in the season when he got the RCV. I'm done, have a nice day.

Welshie

April 20, 2016 9:44 PM
Last Edited 11 days ago

MotoGP » Official: Jorge Lorenzo joins Ducati


Of the 20 full time riders in 2002, 11 started the season on 500cc 2 strokes. I'm not Steven Hawking but 11 is more than 9, therefore making my statement factually correct. Most of the field was using 500cc 2 strokes. Rossi was one of 2 people at the start of the season who was on arguable the most utterly dominant bike ever. It was leagues ahead of the other 4 strokes, M1, the Aprilia Cube, the GSXRR and all the 2 strokes and Rossi was on one of only 2 of that bike in the field. If you want to devalue Lorenzo's 2010 and 2012 titles because he had the advantage of injured rivals, then equally Rossi's 2002 title at least is devalued by the same argument, given the dominance of the machine he was on. And if not, then Casey Stoners title in 2007 was just as well earned as Rossi's 2002 one.

Welshie

April 20, 2016 11:48 AM

MotoGP » Official: Jorge Lorenzo joins Ducati


Realist: Stop misreporting! In 2002, ALL FOUR of the factory teams (Repsol, Yamaha, Aprilia and Suzuki) were on 990's while the satellite teams were on 500's, so all of the best riders on the grid were riding under the same circumstances. It's no different than when we had CRT bikes in GP for the lower riders while the factory bikes were smoking them by multiple seconds.
Not misreporting at all. Rossi finished 140 points clear of Biaggi who yes was on a 990 Yamaha, as was the Aprilia and Suzuki, but of the 16 races that season, the RC211V won 14 of them. Barros WAS on a 500cc 2/ and won the very first race he was given an RC211V later in the season. The only other bike to win was Biaggi's Yamaha, twice. Suzuki and Aprilia were never even near winning. When we had CRT bikes you had at least 3 others riders on bikes as good as Rossi's, very much unlike 2002 when there was only 1, Rossi's team mate.


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