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mick200508

August 03, 2014 8:19 PM
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F1 » Wolff: Mercedes ‘comfortable’ with Hamilton’s stance


Ah yes ferrari, masters of the blatantly underhand team order, I remember domenicali and alonso going all jedi, telling everyone there was nothing to talk about when massa refused his instruction. They may demand complete respect from their divers 107, but with all due respect, morally they have no right to demand or command respect from anyone.

mick200508

July 30, 2014 6:39 PM

F1 » Wolff: Mercedes ‘comfortable’ with Hamilton’s stance


As I said in my comment, the rule was dropped because it was deemed to difficult to implement for obvious reasons , however the cases I'm pointing out are blatant use, easily provable, where action could have been taken. Hamilton apologised to Nico last year because he had the benefit, Claire Williams apologised to massa and the fans and vettel apologised for it. The point is that no matter what you want to call it strategy/team orders, asking one of your team to slow down/hold position or allow a team mate to pass is unduly influencing the outcome of a race, cheating.

mick200508

August 02, 2014 1:02 PM

F1 » Wolff: Mercedes ‘comfortable’ with Hamilton’s stance


@lovef1 Cheers, Team orders have always been in f1, but that doesn't mean as a fan you should agree with them. I don't agree with roseberg last year, he should have overtaken Hamilton. Brawn made the call because it was one way to make a new driver feel good about his move. If Hamilton wore his tyres out and Nico overtook him then that's the way the race should have ended, not the way it did. I agree the money side of it has adverse influences, but that will always be the case until f1s financial operations are brought into some kind of regulation, and with the current owners that's not going to happen. As far as Lewis comments at being shocked, well if you agree to something that's underhand, and you benefit from it unfairly, then you have no right to be shocked when you're asked to return the favour.

mick200508

August 02, 2014 9:02 AM

F1 » Wolff: Mercedes ‘comfortable’ with Hamilton’s stance


@lovef1 What you are talking about is where my argument lies with team orders, they are fundamentally flawed. Lewis shouldn't have been 3rd last year, it was Rosberg following orders that gave him that position, vettel didn't follow orders and gave us the fans the true 1st and 2nd positions. If a team asks a driver to hold position or to slow down and let a team mate past, they are altering the outcome of the race, and I'm sorry but no matter who the team or drivers are, as a fan that is depriving us of the true race result.

mick200508

August 02, 2014 12:16 PM

F1 » Wolff: Mercedes ‘comfortable’ with Hamilton’s stance


@107SS209 I have no arguments with what you are saying about what Hamilton did, he reaps what he sows, or not as the case maybe. But if action is taken against him by the team then he deserves it, and so do the other drivers, because they are all complicit in an agreement, that when implemented correctly can influence the outcome of a race to their employers and their own favour, and that no matter what way you dress it up protocol/team orders/rules, is cheating (to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage), I'll leave it at that.

mick200508

August 02, 2014 11:38 PM

F1 » Wolff: Mercedes ‘comfortable’ with Hamilton’s stance


@107 Again I agree with most of your comment, not the Lewis fuel part. If Lewis used too much during the race, why should Rosberg be asked to forfeit a podium position because he managed his usage better? But if I remember correctly we were given a whole host of reasons for that particular order, fuel, tires, reliability. My own feeling is that it was made to make Hamilton feel at home with his new team and nothing more. As far as the last race goes, and the vettel incident last year, both drivers agreed to protocol/rules, and when said protocol/rules did not work in their favour, they both decided to publicly defy them, thus making themselves look like the victims and their employers the perpetrators. That is why I believe team orders/protocol/rules are fundamentally flawed because no matter how routine/extra ordinary they are, they are open to abuse by both driver and team. And finally thanks to all who have continued to debate this subject with me, I feel passionately about team

mick200508

July 31, 2014 7:57 PM

F1 » Wolff: Mercedes ‘comfortable’ with Hamilton’s stance


@107SS2009 I have read this forum for some time now, and I've always found most of your posts informative and well thought out. If I disagree with your point, I disagree, not suggest that you are thick/stupid. There are enough people on here that personally attack others when they don't agree, without you joining them, cheers. Finally if I'm reading your comment correctly, are you suggesting that both massa and vettel have been demoted within the team for racing by the rules and not by the orders? If that's true then there is no integrity left.

mick200508

July 30, 2014 6:02 PM

F1 » Wolff: Mercedes ‘comfortable’ with Hamilton’s stance


Toto shouldn't be comfortable with any of this farce, in fact he and Mercedes should be in front of the fia explaining their use of team orders. Team orders are cheating plain and simple, you are influencing the outcome of a race by doing something that goes against the sports principles. The fia should be held to account as well, they dropped the team orders rule because it was felt that it was too difficult to implement, but here we have an open and shut case of usage along with massa/bottas earlier in the season, vettel/Webber, Hamilton/Rosberg last year, all of them blatant and easily provable for the purpose of taking action against the teams. I applaud vettel, hamilton and massa for ignoring them and trying to keep some integrity in the sport.



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