WSBK » Corser: Small steps needed to improve


The former champion explains BMW's approach to improving the S1000RR as the bike continues to make small strides towards the front of the World Superbike field.

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Chriszx6r - Unregistered

April 12, 2011 11:08 AM

This just seems bizarre to me... of course all bikes need setup and development, but Corser is a WC and has decades of experience and is saying that with the BMW its easy to get lost...

The bike is kicking butt in superstock championships all over the world but the SBK variations are not so successful suggesting setting these things up is a major pain - is this bike too advanced for SBK spec? or not good enough for SBK spec and teams are trying too hard to polish a turd? I reckon its the former.

jake - Unregistered

April 12, 2011 1:00 PM

not really rare. Suzuki, Honda, Yamaha, Kawi, etc..... have all had bikes that had great success in superstock or national series but were off the pace in SBK. Until the latest CBR1000, it seemed that if you didn't have HRC backing you couldn't win on a Honda. So this situation is kind of normal. with the BMW it could be that in stock form it's already at 90% of it's max potential and is struggling to get that last 10% that is required for SBK pace. While the other bike are already pretty close to their max potential

WC or not any rider or team can get confused if you throw a bunch of changes at a bike/problem without understanding what each change does. That's all he is saying. but it doesn't look good that Leon has jumped to the front already and has shown race long pace while corser does his usual fast starts, fast fade thing

Cubikrube

April 12, 2011 1:03 PM

Chris, just bear in mind how difficult the BSB boys found it at Silverstone last year doing wildcards. Now they are sposed to have the same spec bike but the HM Plant boys were a country mile behind.
Was thinking about this myself and there's less to play with on a Superstocker which is why it works well there and let's not forget they have decent TC as standard on their bikes which not all stockers do...i think their basic version is much more advanced than other manufacturers who do have it on the grid.

jake - Unregistered

April 12, 2011 1:10 PM

it makes more since if you look at the stock numbers. out the crate the BMW is generally 15 to 20 more HP then any of the other bikes. With the restrictive rules of Superstock and some of the national serious, the other bikes can't make up that deficit so yeah the BMW is going to be dominating. But with the more open rules of SBK the other teams can get power numbers that are not only on par with but surpass the BMW. So the BMW's big advantage (power) is no longer there. As the other teams have tons of racing resources and experience to draw on, you can't BMW to really keep up at the moment in the other areas also, such as electronics and chassis development and setup.

Aprilia kind of makes BMW look bad but you have to keep in mind Aprilia's long race history so from the start the RSV4 was well ahead of the curve in all areas then the BMW. To really compare how BMW is doing it would be fairer to compare them against the debuts of bikes like the Petronas FP1, Benelli, Bimota, etc...

Jon

April 12, 2011 1:46 PM

I completely agree with Jake on this, but just want to tale it a little further.
SBK slicks are much grippier than STK series tyres, they work the suspension harder and frame flex makes a big difference.
It's like Burgess about the Ducati in the wet- less lean, so no front end issues (in the wet the tyre goes before pumping/frame fles becomes an issue).
Superbikes are a long way from production bikes (too far in my opinion).
Time you've changed the suspension, wheels, swingarm etc it's far from standard!

sliver46 - Unregistered

April 12, 2011 2:11 PM

Been singing that s**t two years now. Just bloody win already. I like troy, its been a while since this guy been on the top step, a win is long over due from him.

Stevio - Unregistered

April 12, 2011 3:06 PM

Sounds to me like he is saying Bmw were lost until Haslam came along and told them to get rid of all the electronics and start again!

You would have thought someone with Corsors experience would have already thought of doing that but i guess not.

It just shows what a good all round world class rider Haslam has become!!!!

Sick Cylinder - Unregistered

April 12, 2011 5:03 PM

From what I have read from interviews with Haslam and Corser, the main problem with setup is that the BMW uses in-house electronics whereas virtually all the other teams in WSB use Magnetti Marelli Marvel 4 and therefore they have access to a lot of knowledge on settings.

BSB uses less advanced electronics and the BSB teams consequently employ less technicians - this is why wildcards are no longer competitive.

The electronics are now so fundamental to WSB success that for instance much of Yamahas current turn round in form is not just down to Melandri and Laverty, but also the Electronics Technician that Melandri brought with him who is a former Kawasaki MotoGP employee (sorry, forgotten his name).

BMW are developing their own electronics because they will be able to use that technology in the future on their road bikes.

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