WSBK » 2013 WSBK grid taking shape ahead of test


Max Biaggi's retirement and Ducati's move to Team Alstare brings some certainties to a 2013 World Superbike line up that is otherwise shrouded in unknowns...

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Nick636

November 13, 2012 12:10 PM
Last Edited 687 days ago

RSMick

Actually, if Pedercini would wake up and put some decent riders on their bikes, they wouldn't be too bad. What about Althea??? Besides, at least they have had a few top tens. And what about Parkingo? Satellite. Crescent? Satellite. Pata (Now sponsoring Honda). Satellite with some top tens. There WAS Effenbert, who had some great results, even though they were a sham of a team. NOT NEAR THE CRT SITUATION....

Your argument, again, pointless. There is variety in SBK. NOT always the same 3 guys up front, followed by the next 5 etc. Grillini were a joke...

RSMick

November 13, 2012 12:17 PM
Last Edited 687 days ago

So the teams you have said will put maybe 18 on the grid. Last years WSB title had one big difference the weather, the one bike rule played into the hands a bit. But at the track it was a farce.
Nobody is denying the racing was closer but as a series it hasn't made money for years. Why do you think FGS handed 93%, not sold, to ISM?

Grillini was the only bike on the grid last year that would have been in the original concept. You only had to listen to it on track. It even still had its starter motor on board.

realfan

November 13, 2012 12:24 PM

@ rsmick
Please elaborate on your last comment as clearly you know more about me and my interests than I do.
Clearly I'm not a real fan of bike racing and have never travelled all over the world to follow motogp or wsbk (said with more than a hint of sarcasm)

Nick636

November 13, 2012 12:26 PM

Newsflash

MOST teams had a starter motor on board...

As for the "original concept", it evolved. You can still, if you have the coin, build your bike to almost that exact spec. Obviously you wouldn't have some of the special parts (WHICH I ALSO DISAGREE WITH), but in essence, anyone (AGAIN, WITH ENOUGH CASH) could build a bike to race in SBK.

I also agree that the weather did play a part, but that is life, we have changeable weather on planet earth. MOST season have great weather, this one didn't.

As for the 1 bike rule, I hate it. I think it is stupid. But the SBK looks like this EVERY year at this time. Come February, I will almost put money on the fact that there will be 20 bikes at least.

Boo - Unregistered

November 13, 2012 12:28 PM

Bit unfair to say the weather was a defining factor in WSBK all year, especially when it was the only thing that served to mix up MotoGP this year as well.

I can't bring myself to watch MotoGP anymore, simply because the results are pretty much fixed before anyone has even turned a wheel.

I mean, we have 3 manufacturers, who won't let their satellite teams get the better of them, followed by a gaggle of CRTs that don't get any air time anyway. And that's even before you take into account Ducati not being up there at the moment.

At best, we had 3 race-winning riders in 2012, which is fairly pitiful.

I am worried the WSBK grid looks a tad thin at the moment, but in terms of close racing at a high level it has MotoGP licked. Personally I'd rather see a grid of 15 evenly-matched riders rather than 22 with very disparate performance levels if it came down to it (which I'm sure it won't anyway)

Nick636

November 13, 2012 12:34 PM

They carry very small batteries and no alternators.

So, the battery is pretty much good for 1 start (In case of a bin...)
If you were the race fan you claim to be, you would've watched the races, heard commentators mention at Phillip Island, that most of the bikes were fitted with starters, and they couldn't understand why Kawasaki had elected NOT to run starter motors...

Oh, but wait, you weren't watching on TV, you were there, with Grellini...

RSMick

November 13, 2012 12:49 PM
Last Edited 687 days ago

They run samll batteries to run the electronics, do you have proof they still have the starter fitted?
Grillini never used a external starter at all, the bike was essentially a modified road bike with standard electonic system as the one they were to use PI I think they said Aitchinson couldn't use it, similar to Edwards with Bosch.
I was at Silverstone for the weekend with Grillini, I am not sure that any of the other 25 people that were at the track for the racing and practice paid either.

2.4.9.2 Generator, alternator, electric starter
The generator or alternator may be modified, removed or replaced.
The electric starter may be modified, removed or replaced.

I am all ears race fan.

mattbloke - Unregistered

November 13, 2012 1:05 PM

sightly off of the topic thats posted, but to answer you RS mick, all the bikes run starter motors as the bikes have got so light now that they use them to meet the minimum weight limits (also its pretty hard to bump start a hi-compression race motor from walking pace when you stall it)they all use an external roller starter as it is easier on the small batterys that they run. (also the bikes do run charging systems as a battery alone wouldnt be able to safely run all the sophisticated electronics)

RSMick

November 13, 2012 1:19 PM

Matt can see it from the weight point, but if their small batteries is not enough the electronics, which as they are on full GP spec they don't use stepper motors and such, would it be able to turn a starter motor to start the engine? I suppose a lithium ion could about provide the maybe 60-70amp if not more for a short period depending on its AH rating, however that would probably last a full race on slow discharge for the fuel pump and such.

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