WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


The Superstock 1000 and 600 classes could be dropped from 2014 to allow the Superbike class to assume new 'stock-inspired' regulations.

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RSMick

January 08, 2013 8:57 AM
Last Edited 718 days ago

This is a world championship after all:
Your entitled to your opinion of course, did you follow GP before Dorna took over? Ecclestone/TWP got them in the right direction but it was a shambles,constant threats of walk outs. Admittedly a street corner newspaper seller could have done a better job than the FIM.

99% of the population would not know the difference between Motogp and WSB or that two championships existed, but hey we have headlight stickers now taking up valuable sponsorship space. For most they mention Rossi and know he rides a motorbike, poor marketing by Dorna but if youve got something flaunt it. Most people in Britain if they saw a bike speeding would still say "who do you think you are Barry Sheene?" yeat we have had many riders at the top of WSB.

WSB last year was great , Moto2 50% of the time is brilliant racing, WSB whilst good is still tactical and about who conserves his built to degrade tyres. Weather played a big part this year.

Buddy - Unregistered

January 08, 2013 9:02 AM

Slightly off topic but TIAWCAA isn't too far off either in what he says. The lush years of flowing tobacco money disguised the fact that GP teams especially and the promoter are pretty average on the commercial front in comparison to F1 which boasts an enviable sponsor portfolio. Aledged RIZLA Suzuki MotoGP title sponsorship for about 400K says it all really and whats todays new maybe Monster spreading themselves even thinner to back Yamaha Factory team.

RSMick

January 08, 2013 9:19 AM
Last Edited 718 days ago

F1 constantly tinkers with the rules against BE's will remember his "its not my fault Ferrari are better than everbody else, its their job to catch up"
Only recently have they started to improve the show by adding degrading tyres, Kers and DRS, amongst others. The racing in F1 has been procession for years but it still sells but its not just about the racing, its the whle show, which whilst WSB has had good racing it has not been able to capitalise on it.
I suggest you go to a WSB round, it is threadbare in the paddock compared to GP, no major sponsors, very few hospitality, and empty pit boxes.
So with the terrible show that GP gives yet they are still getting some amount of sponsorship, Motogp enjoys a lot more professional camera work and TV coverage, and more stations buy it with its poor racing, so if the racing sells who are the poor marketeers?
Dorna through the 2000's yes rested on their laurels way too much, that didn't happen in the 90's they started from nothing, too many am

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 9:27 AM

Maybe 'This is a World Championship after all' has some fair points about the marketing of motorcycle racing as a product.
However, I still feel that if mfr's are allowed to run away with the rules and the costs then the net result is always to the detriment of the very thing that needs selling - which is close, exciting and competitive RACING. This is what the mainstream (i.e. not a die-hard m/c fan) wants to see to attract & keep his attention.
This is why Dorna need to address the Tech rules of MotoGP (but cant due to mfrs IMO) - the spectacle & selling point of MotoGP has been wrecked by pandering to the Honda's demands thus rendering the series an expensive snooze-fest. Ergo, a lousy product to sell.
It may be good racing now, but I think WSBK risks the same fate as MotoGP if not kept on a tight leash.

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 9:37 AM

Bike racing seems to be only of interest mainly to those already interested in bikes. Everyone drives a car & knows how, so 4-wheels get the figures?
The daft thing in all this is that, proper motorcycle racing as a 'show' is far more exciting to watch. The rider can be seen clambering about manhandling the machine - the speed, the closeness of the racers, the overtaking and of course the crashes and near-crashes are much more vivid, while the racers themselves are proper ballsy heroes (lets face it - if you stack a bike its not a Q of 'will it hurt', but 'how much will it hurt').
I can't help feeling that if a great bike racing series could GET non-riders interested and watching (by selling all the above USP's bikes have over cars), then it could keep them.

Buddy - Unregistered

January 08, 2013 9:42 AM

@TalentFan Again off topic but the best opportunity to fix MotoGP has passed, Instead of a decisive set of rules with ownership resting with the rights holder its now just a fudge. The conditions attached to the appeasement deal of all the Japanese mfrs putting more available product out for 2014 will probably fall back to just Honda again and where are all these teams with 3M + going to come from.

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 9:50 AM

Looks like a 2-pronged attack is needed maybe?

Racing fans - what do we really want to watch? I want to watch a skilled hero taming a powerful beast of a bike, by being brave and talented. I don't want to watch a virtual passenger twisting a computer-controlled throttle while the computer then ensures the bike won't spin up the rear and regulates everything to keep the wheels in line, making ludicrous speeds look ordinary & boring.

So, reduce the tech and concentrate on the real value - the squashy organic thing that sits on the bike, that has a personality and guts, and does things the rest of us only wish we could do half as well.
Then, actually promote it properly - get a wider audience educated in just what it is that motorcycle racing has, and what a great sport it can be.

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 9:59 AM

@ Buddy

I'm afraid that you are absolutely right. Honda has pulled out all the stops to effectively kill off CRT after this season it seems. IMO not because the bikes could threaten theirs, but because they could see the introduction of CRT was the first step to removed power and influence of Honda over MotoGP. So they've done all to stamp it out before it could take hold.
As a result, I fear like you that MotoGP is doomed. I'd like it if the same didn't befall WSBK or any other bike racing series.

RSMick

January 08, 2013 10:28 AM
Last Edited 717 days ago

TalentFan, some of his points are fair but comparing 2m against a bike and 18m a car is simalr to football and bike .
As you say nearly everyone drives cars, the image of car drivers are totally different, a car probably has 800% more advertising space on it for a start.
Its the image that people have that GP is doomed and WSB isn't purely because the is better bemuses me. The racing IS better only than motogp but it has less participants, almost no major sponsors and abismal tv coverage.
Bridgepoint must have seen this and along with a couple of misdemeaners, removed Flamini from control by ISM buying the ony 7% of IMS it wasn't given. IF WSB/Flamini was a better financial role model than Dorna, does anybody really believe that with Bridgepoints portfolio, they would not have put Flamini in charge of Motogp and WSB?
How many people could acutally list more than a couple of riders or teams without looking in SStock and stock 600?

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 10:51 AM

RSMick. You certainly seem to have a good idea what you are on about, while I admit my thoughts are purely my own and are more 'theoretical' and idealistic.

That said... I still believe that MotoGP is in trouble - it may have all the glitz and hospitality etc. etc., but it seems hell-bent on screwing up the actual Racing. Surely in the long-term this has to result in degrading interest for fans, tv and sponsors alike, and a downward spiral to nothing?

Imagine a series (this'll please Shamarone!) with the kind of race action of WSBK, but with the off-track advantages and kudos of MotoGP, promoted and marketed to a wider audience.

But surely the core of ANY race series (even F1 realised this eventually) sooner or later has to come down to the fact that you have to provide exciting racing for the viewer / fan?

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