WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


The Superstock 1000 and 600 classes could be dropped from 2014 to allow the Superbike class to assume new 'stock-inspired' regulations.

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TalentFan

January 08, 2013 11:01 AM
Last Edited 562 days ago

RSMick - Seems to sum up that right now MotoGP is all veneer and no substance, while WSBK is more substance but no quality of finish?
So once fans see past the bling and the glitz and realise MotoGP is just a shiny trinket thats no use - then what?
And WSBK is an ugly duckling that needs a makeover? If it doesn't get one - then what?
The way you paint the picture, it doesn't seem that great for either series! Depressing stuff!

BTW - a lot is made in posts that the reason for reductions in tech to save money. I'm trying to say that its needed for the Show - the racers are the gladiators in the arena - its the best MAN, not the best Megabyte that we want to see win through his efforts.

studs

January 08, 2013 11:31 AM

Some great discussion on here lately. Makes a lovely change... :)

@TalentFan I think you've fallen into the trap of wishing your preferred WSB championship to the pinnacle of world racing, while wishing MotoGP to simply wither and die.

The truth is (whether you like it or not), MotoGP is the unassailable pinnacle of world racing. It is the number one, the dogs danglies. Not my opinion or my wish, just simply how it is.

Now they're finally under the control of one body, it follows to set both championships not against each other (as has occurred), but to compliment... this news story is one of the cornerstones needed for this new era's coming into being.

Whatever you think of Dorna, there' not daft. They're busy putting the finishing touches to a complimentary model of a sustainable two tier world championship series and crucially, their differences will be more distinct. While MotoGP will always remain the pinnacle, a complimentary production series marketed in conjunction with Mot

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 11:38 AM

@ studs. No, I have no desire to push WSBK over MotoGP - I have no agenda like that.

What I do have a problem with, is for the 'pinnacle' of motorcycle racing to be the 3-tier, rigged farce with no strength-in-depth, and the fact that this terrible situation cannot be remedied, because of the power and agenda of the mfrs.

In short - I don't like the fact that the Racing is being wrecked to suit the manufacturing corporations.

Does this mean that I have a problem with Honda, for using their clout to ensure that MotoGP cannot flourish and have proper racing. Yes, it does.

Racing is for racing's sake - not to improve the breed, nor is it to meet a factory's corporate wants & needs when they run contra to the needs of the Racing.

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 11:46 AM

Dorna may not be 'daft' but they sure appear to be 'weak'.
How do we expect dorna to have control over 2 series and make them complimentary, when it is clear that Dorna do not have control over MotoGP?

IMO it seems Ezplezeta tried to wrest some control back from the Mfrs with the CRT thing. This was not supported by fans, as they failed to understand the bigger picture? Dorna have now capitulated to Honda's lobbying and in so doing proved they are toothless.

What faith can we have that Dorna will have any control over WSBK, and won't let that get screwed up too?

Tetley

January 08, 2013 11:55 AM

There's so much contradiction around today. Most here agree MotoGP has lost it's spectacle and needs changing to retain its Premier status. But every time changes are suggested there's a barrage of opposition!
Likewise, everyone knows WSB lap times are too close to MotoGP, but at the first mention of lower spec WSB bikes there's a litany of criticism.
Most observers, me included, don't know the detailed differences between “Stock” and “Super” classes because currently there are too many variations on the same 600s/1000s theme. Similar, but slightly lower specced classes used to be created when the prime class became oversubscribed. Now that the prime classes need more teams on the grid there is no longer a need for sub-prime classes. So amalgamating “Stock” and “Super” classes at an intermediate level will have beneficial effect.
In MotoGP, Factory Proddy racers will oust CRTs, bringing fuller grids, closer racing and bringing back spectacle.
Dorna-knocking is much too prevalent.

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 12:04 PM

@ Tetley You've hit the nail on the head I reckon. Fans want the penny & the bun. There's also a failure to recognise that reducing tech isn't an overall reduction - its a trade. We would be trading soulless tech control, for human skill, effort, dtermination & application. Less really would be more IMO.

As for Dorna-knocking... I was glad to see the CRT initiative by Ezplezeta & a positive move away from Mfr dictation and control in MotoGP. But I'm sad to see that they didn't stick to their guns and regain full control from the Mfr's.

I lack your conviction that allowing the factory's to flood the grids and gain total control of MotoGP will improve and increase competitive racing. Factory's agenda for racing means they have no interest in fair competition IMO.

studs

January 08, 2013 12:05 PM

@TalentFan... You speak like the manufactures don't even have a stake here, let alone a voice. Here's a final comment on the financial issue facing two-wheel racing and why you need to understand it's not a case of tails wagging dogs... it's about two dogs.

Dorna v Big Manufacturers (of which Honda happens to be the biggest)

For my sins I work in the front line of Motorcycle retail in the UK. The situation is bleak with a capital BLEAK. Big bikes are just not shifting. 'This is a WC after all' contention that there is still loads of advertising spend just ripe for the picking by teams is simply not the case. If it were true, we wouldn't be here now debating the situation...

studs

January 08, 2013 12:05 PM

...In the sphere of global two wheel marketing, the manufacturers are desperately trying to fathom a sustainable bottom to the big bike market. If demand for big bikes continues to fall over the next 5 years as it has in last 3, discussions like this will be moot, because in terms of production bikes, we'll be watching this generation's bikes held together with gaffer tape racing only in national championships.

As for MotoGP in this "worst case" scenario... well, you can bet your last penny that a prototype world series will still exist in some shape or form.

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