WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


The Superstock 1000 and 600 classes could be dropped from 2014 to allow the Superbike class to assume new 'stock-inspired' regulations.

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TalentFan

January 08, 2013 12:09 PM

@ studs.
I get what you are saying about the bike market. I also get that the mfrs primary agenda is about the business of marketing & selling bikes.

Bike racing's management should be all about the business of selling RACING. Independent teams & sponsors want a good hard close racing series as the 'Show' means thay all get a fair shot of air-time and potential success - their needs align with those of RACING.
Mfrs needs are in opposition to those needs. Ergo, Mfrs factory teams should have no place in a racing series, as their influence and effect is detrimental sooner or later.
Simplistic and idealistic (even unrealistic) it may be - but in essence do you understand my point?

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 12:17 PM

@ studs "its not about tails wagging dogs... it's about two dogs"

I do understand that. I'm saying that maybe the dogs should be in 2 different yards! Let the mfrs market, produce and sell their motorcycles, and let Motorcycle Racing market, produce and sell Motorcycle Racing.

And... if not, & both dogs are to be in the same yard, then it needs to be Dorna's yard, and if Mfr's want to play in it, then they play to Dorna's rules, not the other way around, and not a trade-off.

studs

January 08, 2013 12:24 PM
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I understand your ideal completely TalentFan, and a laudable one it is too (though you perhaps miss the importance of prototype racing as a distinct draw to real fans in its own right).

Given all the factors at play in big bike racing (including the conflicting interests of all stakeholders (inc. real racing fans), means it will remain just an ideal however.

Edit to add: Dorna's yard would be empty if they didn't court and humour the big manufacturers... remember that too harsh a referee and the players could just run off with the ball... and if they got desperate enough to do that, we'd all lose out in the short-medium term.

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 12:43 PM

Would the yard really be empty though - that is my question?

Ok - lets say the Mfr's pull the plug and walk. Does that mean no more prototype racing? I doubt it.

Mfrs did not invent bike racing - they just joined in when they saw the marketing potential (as well as development/testing) . Racing began when individuals started to compete against one another with bikes they'd bought, and/or modified. Then they started to tune them. the rest is history.

Wouldn't independent teams (with their sponsors) love to be in MotoGP, & be happy to develop prototype bikes just like they do now in Moto2 for example? Something like I dunno.... CRT perhaps? Without the mfrs, a grid-full of CRT's with top riders and the MotoGP circus would make a pretty good race series IMO.

Why must we believe that Racing cannot thrive without direct Mfr involvement?

studs

January 08, 2013 1:21 PM

Simply because the manufacturers would participate through the back door at favoured teams and the whole sorry saga will self-destruct.

No, like it or not, stringent and careful rules need to be applied and modified (when needed) in an all-encompassing and complimentary manner. The nature of the beast (top-level racing) has always required this, but it's never been done with joined up thinking.

The big players here (promoters, mfrs and bigger teams) are concocting new sustainable rules now and will continue to tweak them over the next few years. The rationalising of the production classes at world level we're seeing in this article was a necessary element and it will now happen.

Give the resulting era a chance... there's little doubt it's the most pragmatic solution all things considered... and just keep watching, it might even work.

RSMick

January 08, 2013 1:21 PM
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I think Tetly has the right idea, the biggest critisism Dorna can face is taking the eye of the ball in late 90's and allowing manufacturers there leasing plan. They should have maintained the path of manufacturers supplying production racers as they did with the Yam and NSRV's. Before that manufacturers used to supply a wealth of TZ's RG's and RS's, kwack had a go but were their usual self. They should have taken control of the rules earlier, but hey thats exactly the path Flamini took or more so whatever Ducati want, I am sure we would have ended up with 2 litre twins.
WSB does not have global pull that people believe, only here a little in Italy and maybe Shamorone in the states. Why here? mainly because we cannot win Motogp.
WSB sanction fees are 20% of Motogp and a couple 20% less than that. Yet they still struggle to sell rounds and the fans who rave about it so much don't turn up. There were twice as many people at Silverstone on Motogp Friday as WSB Sunday.

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 2:14 PM

@ RSMick I get that crowd figures for WSBK get thumped by MotoGP (though it was the other way around in the Foggy era, and Mick Doohan's dominance made MotoGP a snooze-fest for many) but surely (as Bernie Ecclestone always said) that its TV that brings in the bucks?
The Spaniards & Italians dominate MotoGP, and these are the countries with the biggest bike history and the most fans. Add in the better marketing and venues/dates and of course wider TV Channels to a wider audience and it's be no surprise that MotoGP win that one too.
If (IF) Dorna can maintain the quality of WSBK races, but bring the same levels of exposure to WSBK that MotoGP enjoys, and (unless MotoGP improves the on-track aspect) then I wouldn't be surprised if the popularity contest became a much closer-run thing.
Sooner or later, it has to come back to the fact that viewers need something good to watch, or they'll switch over. Lose them, lose it all.

TalentFan

January 08, 2013 2:21 PM

I'm not a particular Rossi Fan, but its still true that he's the biggest personality and media/marketing draw, and his presence is boosting MotoGP's viewers and attendance, and the Rossi factor is probably skewing the figures considerably.
In many ways, MotoGP's marketing strategy has been a one-trick pony, based around Rossi's antics. Rossi will almost certainly be gone by the start of 2015. It will have an effect that Dorna need to counter with something sustainable for sure IMO.

RSMick

January 08, 2013 3:30 PM

Absolutley TalentFan but first you need the circuit to put on the show to get the TV to pay, if the circuits are not making any money they won't put on the show, they make their money by people paying an entrance fee and eating overpriced burgers. No circuits no TV.
The as you say bling of Motogp is what sells though to the average punter who has never heard of Rossi.
Never sure about those Fogarty gates that were only at Brands, Donnington could only get a 3 day figure of 50k.
KRsnr used to call them Flamini figures. I am not sure you could get 120k (always round figure with WSB) into Brands at once but they were always 3 day figures everywhere else. You could get 4 Brands in Silverstone and have you seen that place with 120k in?

marionsboy

January 09, 2013 1:31 PM

How did the Spanish get so much power in motorcycle racing, their economy is in freefall How so many teams from Spain can keep going passes understanding,yet these guys who can't make their own series work take over SBK. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

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