WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


The Superstock 1000 and 600 classes could be dropped from 2014 to allow the Superbike class to assume new 'stock-inspired' regulations.

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Boo - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 10:43 AM

@RSMick,

What I meant was would riders go to WSBK knowing a title win is considered less prestigious than in previous years? The origins of the championship were definitely in-keeping with the production-based ethos so it would attract a cross-section of riders initially, but the series has always moved forward/got bigger and faster to the point that the relative parity means WSBK is a genuine world-class alternative to MotoGP.

I worry that by going 'backwards' and taking that relative parity away will make some think twice about making the move to WSBK knowing that success there wouldn't measure up quite so well against being in MotoGP.

Maybe WSBK needs to go through another 'Japanese-boycott' style dark era to come out the other side and rebuild its reputation as an almost-new championship.

TalentFan

January 07, 2013 10:45 AM

I have no problem with WSBK going back to its roots and being basically Stock bikes. I had no problem with MotoGP going 'CRT' either.
Look its simple - if all machines can lap 5s faster (regardless of rider) due to the electronics and tech - SO WHAT! Both series need more affordable racing, but most of all its needs truly competitive racing with rules that foster full grids and close competition. Lap times are only important relative to the rest of the field - but fans seem fixated with them.
Less tech = more rider involvement in the pace of the bike. Slower lap times = less need for expensive and antiseptic track development. We get proper racing. Whats not to like?

mike hunt - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 10:47 AM

world super bikes was conceived as a cheap production based world championship series. dumbing down the rules on tuning to road spec will force aprilia and ducati to bring out super trick limited edition versions for joe soap. remember how many sp versions of the 916 there was. those manufacturers who dont will drop out due to the cost of on going development. one of the biggest cost is motogp spec suspension. make them use customer spec road and track forks. about 1800 a pop instead of 25000. customer brembo racing breaks callipers instead of fancy materials and stock road wheels, which are already very light. the bikes will still look trick without the cost. a good leveller.

pp916 - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 10:50 AM

So SS1000 & SS600 disappear to be replaced by some mythical 250 class, which if its 4 stroke and based on production bikes will be dull as ditchwater? Realistically if they're going to dumb down superbikes/supersport to save embarrassing Motogp any further superstock couldn't remain as they're damn near as fast as full on superbikes/supersport bikes anyway....although having said that the 2 classes still run alongside each other very happily in BSB.
And what about the paying punter who is deprived of 2 good races previously on the schedule? Will the meetings be padded out by national races? That's not on when you're there, and paying hansomely, to see World/European championship racing. More questions than answers so far....

RSMick

January 07, 2013 10:52 AM
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Boo, where else will they go?
As BSB and all other nationals are dumbing down to meet costs, they still want a world title. Most of them when they get offered a CRT or Satellite ride say they want to ride to win.
Maybe Flamini will set another series up, to go with his Superstars whee he has changed the motto recently from The worlds most technically advanced series, to the heart of motorsport. They use there old SBKNo1 only STSnumber1.

PPS916: Why will 250's be dull? Moto3 isn't, if your referring to speed then spend a little time watching the Asia underbone series. Speed isn't everything, just means the one who has perfect setup wins.
Do you pay to go and watch the support races or WSB? As WSB prices are lower than ever because crowds are lower than ever it needs something new.

TalentFan

January 07, 2013 10:59 AM

If you think I'm talking nonsense in the above post - take a look at BSB as a model (maybe not the 'Showdown' bit).
No TC and spec not that far removed from Superstock and the racing is fantastic.
WSBK could well benefit greatly from some of the same? Riders will know (& so should the fans - if not it should be advertised) that the skill of the rider is paramount in the series, NOT the geezer with the laptop and the Suit with the chequebook.

Boo - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 11:05 AM

MotoGP? Aprilia, BMW and some of the better funded WSBK teams could jump ship if they find more worth/visibility racing in MotoGP rather than a neutered WSBK series.

Of course, the new rules would better live up to the adage 'win on Sunday, sell on Monday', but at what cost?

These are merely concerns though, I'm sure none of this is a conspiracy to kill WSBK to benefit MotoGP, but it does pose a few questions (as new regulations always do).

I'm not bothered about lap times so much, I'm bothered about grid numbers and competitiveness (the former is lacking, the latter we have in abundance). I don't want WSBK to be seen as a lesser series as result of reg changes.

pp916 - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 11:11 AM

@ RSMick....

Sorry but there is nothing interestng about 250 4 stroke production racing on circuits such as Silverstone, Monza etc....this is supposed to be world/european championship level racing not a club meet at Darley....the machinery also needs to be interesting and that relates to its performance/sophistication....I can't think of any desirable 250's on the market at the moment.
I'm afraid demolition derby with kids crashing into each other on stripped down scooters as in the underbone series is not my idea of top end racing....if I want to see that I can wander down to the nearest piece of waste ground on a weekend.

TalentFan

January 07, 2013 11:23 AM

I can't see Aprilia & BMW, let alone independent WSBK teams moving over to MotoGP. Why would they - after all, with Honda (& Yamaha's) grip on the tiller of the series, then anyone entering their playground is on a hiding to nothing. Why enter an arms race and spend a fortune trying (& failing, just like Kawasaki, Suzuki and yes Ducati) to enter MotoGP and wreck your Co's reputation? I can't see it.
My position on Mfr's Factory teams in Racing is clear anyway - I'm happy for them all to clear off and leave it to the Independent Teams. Non-Factory teams and sponsors want & NEED close racing and fair rules and competition to get fans watching. Factory teams don't want competition by nature, so their wants and needs and influence damage a racing series. Look at the dire state of MotoGP if you want proof.

Buddy - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 11:31 AM

RSMick you write a lot of sense but don't assume every idea that comes out of Madrid is automatically a winner unless of course you work there. WSBK costa a circuit a hefty fee upwards of 300K and in return those prices get recharged to the public meaning admission prices are around 50 quid compared to 25 to 30 for a BSBK. I cant see people paying top dollar for a show where the equipment level is no different to a club meeting. Bring back the level yes but not to absolute basics and thats where this becomes more obvious its more about putting GPs on a pedestal to save their ass when all attempts so far to get a long term sustainable solution have been a clusterfeck or wish wash compromise to appease Honda.

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