WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


The Superstock 1000 and 600 classes could be dropped from 2014 to allow the Superbike class to assume new 'stock-inspired' regulations.

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RSMick

January 07, 2013 2:51 PM

TalentFan, the problem being that the people who bleat on about the changes are ridiculous or Dorna have no idea probably have never attended a race.

PP916, yes the Hospitaity suites are absolutley necessary, these are used by the sponsors to entertain their clients as well as the sponsors being treated. There are only about 6 or 7 in the WSB paddock and probably why it is struggling, they are there to entice the money men who if their clients are happy they spend the money. The paddock in WSB looks like a minimoto meeting compared to GP.
The team in WSB who seem to have their hospitality spot on is Cresent Suzuki, I wonder why that is? they treat their sponsors clients, very well. Yes the people they are entertaining dn't know anything about bike racing but it brings the money in.

TalentFan

January 07, 2013 2:58 PM

@ Shamarone "now you see more clearly the method to his madness. stopping the EXODUS OF TALENT from his series is yet another key mission objective"

You've defended the Factory's and said they are essential in MotoGP in the past Shamarone. But Honda (strangely enough in the only world or top level domestic series where they are at the top eh?) are adamant that MotoGP is mostly about the bike, and only a the rider is justa bit-part. To this end they keep piling the cash & tech into MotoGP to try and prove its their machine that is the real star.
What you are saying then, is that as Dorna is toothless against Honda (who really run MotoGP) that Carmelo is dumbing down WSBK to prevent an exodus of talent that Honda is trying to prove they don't need in MotoGP anyway?

shamarone

January 07, 2013 2:58 PM

re: "Instead of just saying that Uncle Carmelo is a loon, how about you come up with a solution (or at least a few solid ideas) that hold water of your own and enlighten us eh?"

WAAAAY ahead ya. you must be new, i already called the merger and laid it out what SHOULD BE ad-infinitum... what... over a year ago now...? do yourself a "flavor" and site search the terms "NWO", "unified world championship", or "world championship of FX (formula extreme)". you should get a hit on sumptin'. go 'head, treat yourself.

ellis - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 3:02 PM

Dorna need to be carefull, bsb could take over. Other than the silly shoot out thing they have there regs spot on. And knowing dorna even with stock rules there will be rider aids and will only have so many engines per year. Let's face it if wsb main championship is bsb superstock, wich will the riders want 2 ride in??

Cubikrube

January 07, 2013 3:05 PM

Well i've said previously that we need more bikes on the grid as have many of you.
Fact is that BSB hasn't suffered due to "dumbing down" and the racing has been good. OK the BSB grid is looking a little thin atm but i think thats more down to the showdown.
I think someone stated last year that Biaggi went through more than 40 engines last year and that is ridiculous and cannot be maintained.
As long as the racing entertains i do not care if they are breaking lap records tbh.
I think we need to get away from this Dorna hate thing. It is done and both championships are now under the same banner and there needs to be a distinct difference between GP and WSB.
Oh and maybe "dumbing down" (not my phrase) will end up meaning more wildcards as all championships are looking to reduce costs

Cubikrube

January 07, 2013 3:08 PM

I should have just said (in regards to all championships, national/international) i want big grids and good racing.
Surely at it's core we all want that? And if it can be done by reducing costs then surely it should?

TalentFan

January 07, 2013 3:12 PM

I've seen that "unified world championship" theory of yours before Shamarone.

Agreed, merging WSBK & MotoGP would on paper cut the costs of admin, and also in theory create more entrants for the one merged series.

Except that it would be effectively 'MotoGP - no organiser is going to say they threw away the premier class to adopt a 'lesser' one as the model for the new order.

And under the the current rules and stewardship of the manufacturer's currently carrying weight in MotoGP - do you really think the WSBK teams would come happily to get their wallets pounded and their bikes trounced in this "unified world championship"?

Nope, they wouldn't, for the same reasons they don't want to switch right now. BSB or somebody would step into the breach and start a new series and restore the status quo.

shamarone

January 07, 2013 3:19 PM

re: "You've defended the Factory's and said they are essential in MotoGP in the past Shamarone."

yup, all's it takes is one look at the extreme wobble of a CRT to be a believer.

re: "(Honda) are adamant that MotoGP is mostly about the bike, and only a the rider is justa bit-part."

you've just summarized the ethos behind the "V5 shock and awe campaign" of 2002. to their chagrin, rossi was able to "derail" their efforts only 2 years on, but HRC was to have the last laugh with 2011's "orange crush" and stoner's #1 plated title defense.

re: "What you are saying then, is that as Dorna is toothless against Honda (who really run MotoGP) that Carmelo is dumbing down WSBK to prevent an exodus of talent that Honda is trying to prove they don't need in MotoGP anyway?"

you laugh, but asimo's being fitted for leathers as we speak...! just figurin' out the whole birth certificate thing. :D

TalentFan

January 07, 2013 3:23 PM

@ Cubikrube. Totally agree with your comments.

The wild-card thing was something I meant to mention as a benefit myself, so glad you've thrown that in. The domestic superbike wild-cards at WSBK was always a great bit of added spice to a meeting that has been sorely lacking due to the disparity between uber-expensive WSBK and domestic series machinery in recent years.

just look at the interest cultivated when Crescent Suzuki entered Hopper as a wild-card, not to mention the opportunity domestic series riders get to strut their stuff against World Series opposition and get to showcase their talents.

shamarone

January 07, 2013 3:26 PM

naw, from what you're saying, i don't think you have. keep checking, i forget the exact thread, but all's i know is i articulated it in a topic you wouldn't normally expect to find it. unfortunately, it wasn't a discussion like this one.

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