WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


The Superstock 1000 and 600 classes could be dropped from 2014 to allow the Superbike class to assume new 'stock-inspired' regulations.

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TalentFan

January 07, 2013 3:34 PM

@ Shamarone "yup, all's it takes is one look at the extreme wobble of a CRT to be a believer."

In the very short lifespan of CRT to-date, they seem to have done pretty well to me. They only look 'slow' as they are up against (4 fast) full factory prototypes and a bundle of satellite proptotypes.

Taken on their own, then a field full of CRT's with a little more time under the wheels, some more development and MotoGP top riders would be a very viable and credible series indeed IMO.

This whole thread is about why a few seconds slower per lap is irrelevant as long as the field is competitive? I mean - take away the electronics and budget advantages of HRC and just how far ahead of the fastest CRT's (with a comparable pilot as well) would a factory honda be? I bet its less than you'd imagine.

RSMick

January 07, 2013 3:42 PM

TalentFan, again just proof that people have not watched racing or understand GP for long. CRT's are closer than any other of the private bikes before. When the ROC/Harris yams came out, first race Honda wheeled out a big bang engine that put them even further behind, lapping as always been part of the GP and WSB, of course when Fogarty did it though it was exciting.

Congratulations for decphering Shamorones ramblings, his predictions are more incoherent than Nostradamus. The constant bleating of slow and dangerous CRT's yet ignoring WSS, most of the field 3 seconds behind and a lot more than 5, but thats not dangerous only CRT is.

J - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 3:59 PM

@Shamarone

Just an opinion but i am not sure if I agree with that merger solution. There is space for the 2 championships but you are correct a merger would lower cost and fix a bunch of issues but you would still have only one championship when 2 is sustainable and interesting.

MotoGP needs to RAPIDLY sort out their CRT/Prototype issue!!!! then we can get on to business. However a "closer to stock" option would not derail the efforts of WSBK. In fact the racing would be just as good, the grid would be heftier, more wildcards, and the cost sustainable. The best riders would still be attracted to the WSBK paddock as an option to MotoGP or even just to stay in WSBK if that is the option. Besides that I believe all the Superbike racing world wide should have similar formats that way they can all be feeder classes to the world stage. BSB is doing it and the racing is good. Aside from the showdown deal...WSBK would do well with these changes.

Buddy - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 4:02 PM

The inherent flaw with Superstock bikes is it will always be a one make cup for whichever bike is the latest to me released to the market. IDM and Spanish Extreme are good examples both totally dominated by BMW and Kawasaki respectively, in both cases over half the entry and over 50% total occupancy of the podium. And with sport bike model releases very close it means a manufacturer will be either THE bike to have or uncompetitive for three or four years minimum.

TalentFan

January 07, 2013 4:11 PM

@ J "MotoGP needs to RAPIDLY sort out their CRT/Prototype issue!!!!"

The problem here is - they can't! Dorna made an attempt to dislodge the stranglehold of the Mfr's, whose direction has led to the expensive mess MotoGP is in. But the Mfr's don't WANT CRT's or any other measure to get some kind of parity in the field. In short, it SUITS hinda & Yamaha just fine to be able to obliterate the field and claim to be the best in the so-called pinnacle of the sport.
Factory's don't want competition, Racing demands it. There's a conflict of interest that cannot be overcome.
The simple choice is this (IMO) - keep the factories in control of MotoGP and accept that it is not and shall never return to being proper racing. Or kick out the factories altogether, allow only independent teams, regain control and implement measures to get proper racing back in GP's.

Cubikrube

January 07, 2013 4:12 PM

The suggestion of bringing two series under one banner just doesn't add up.

If you buy up both series and are making money from both then why would you amalgamate them? In fact why would you even bother buying up WSB if only to pull the rug from under it? You wouldn't all of a sudden increase GP gates as most of us watch WSB and GP (and over here we watch BSB too)...on TV and at the track, we certainly do the lot in our house

19 or 20 rounds for GP and 13 or 14 for WSB and you remove those 13 or 14 rounds to bring them in with GP and then you take away 25% (or so) of your earnings potential?

It's not just the ticket sales it also also the TV rights, merchandise etc etc

There is room for both World Series and they need some separation in terms of tech..or lack thereof. Bigger grids for both and closer racing as already mentioned is the way to go :)

RSMick

January 07, 2013 4:23 PM
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Cubikrube, Dorna/Bridgepoint didn't buy WSB, it just happened to be a tiny part of Infront who is fronted by Phillipe Blatter nephew of Sepp, with the contracts it has because of that tie up made it worthwhile for a capital investment company. Many compnies buy other companies to do just that, asset strip and take away the opposition. The truth is neither WSB or Motogp have been in profit for a while, thats how Infront ended up with WSB.
However the only interest thing Bridgepoint is interested in either Dorna or Infront is it returning a profit for its investors and its networth so its resale value will also be in profit. Bridgepoint have already ofloaded 39% of Dorna to a Canadian pension company.

pp916 - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 4:31 PM

Just as an aside....this is possibly the most coherent discussion of I have ever seen on this forum, for the most part free of put downs & insults with plenty of worthwhile points being made....congratulations to all concerned!

Carry on..........

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