WSBK » Superstock class to be phased out?


The Superstock 1000 and 600 classes could be dropped from 2014 to allow the Superbike class to assume new 'stock-inspired' regulations.

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Sick Cylinder - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 7:49 PM

@This is a World Championship... In F1 there is a revenue share for teams because selling the TV rights brings in a lot of money which can therefore be shared out. Unfortunately the broadcasting rights for both WSBK and MotoGP are virtually worthless - they are normally given away for nothing and it is a struggle to persuade broadcasters to agree to carry content.

Although motorcycle racing is of huge interest to me and those who read this forum, it is not of much interest to Joe Public who would rather watch a myriad of other sports. That is why sponsors are not very interested - because unfortunately most of the public is not interested either.

professorx - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 8:10 PM

you wanna make motogp cheaper, get rid of traction control and dont obligate manufacturers to run tires that wont work for their bike, there by cutting huge costs in R/D & setup.

If Dorna want to neuter WSBK they better get rid of TC in MotoGP, otherwise its all gonna go to chit. Too much money is wasted on electronics that only benefit a very few riders, which adds complexity to setup and costs.

You want better racing, tone down WSBK, stop Pirelli from dictating whose going to win, and take TC out of MotoGP, and consider allowing the prototypes to pick from a variety of control tires, not just one that fits one particular bike the most.

Cardiacs955i - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 8:14 PM

I think 250's would be great - the return of a classic racing format, much loved iin other parts of the world...just not so much here in Blighty as there seems to be big bike snobbery, and has been for years.

Regarding WSBK, it has to cutcosts & slowdown. One of the reasons motoGp went to 800's was because the speeds were getting too high for the circuits...it was getting too dangerous & as speeds increase you'd find that less & less circuits are suitable...we'd end up with procession racing in huge souless racetracks designed on computers, with runoff areas the size of Norfolk.

This ain't oval racing, I couldn't give a flying F*** about top speeds. Sustainable racing with full grids, wildcards, private teams, lots of manufacturers is what we need. Following its current tech trajectory, with bespoke ECU's etc WSBK will become as boring as MotoGp if nothing is done.

@ Studs

No-one says it would be boring, but here's how it'll play out.

Dorna decides on (for argument sakes) "Showroom Spec" rules.
Before any racing EVER takes place, riders & teams push for the right to change fairings, brakes, rear shocks & tyres - citing safety.
Dorna agrees.
Teams look at the merits of the manufacturers & we have a grid of 20 ZX10's & Panigales with a sprinkling of other bikes.
The ZX10 wins & Ducati homologate a Panigale RR with fully adjustable front shocks, etc.
It cleans up the field.
Kawasaki leaves.
Honda arrive with a $45k RC'whatever' full factory effort.
Ducati want 200cc extra.
Yamaha, Suzuki, MV, KTM, etc all express an interest, but in stock form can't compete.
Dorna allows limited tuning.
More tuning is required to equalize, so it's allowed.
15yrs later we have something like the current rules, but now the teams & promoters have forgotten how we got there & can only see how much it's costing.
Someone suggests 'stock' would be a good idea ...

@ Sick

There was a time when F1 was worth zip & couldnt sell the TV rights.
They didnt keep changing the technical rules to try fix it, they built a commercial model around the teams & the show.
They reached billions of new people that mostly irritated me because yesterday hey knew nothing about F1, now were suddenly 'fans' ... but they helped sell the product.
Now whether they change their rules or not teams still operate with budgets in the hundred of millions & have a share of a big pie.

Dorna is supposed to be a "Commercial" rights holder, but they have done a lousy job if MotoGP is in its current state, why ... coz theyre too involved in fiddling with technical rules to try fix a problem that needs a business solution.
Their job is to create a massive demand for whatever the FIM decides is technically suitable to any current market. They're not doing that though.

RSMick

January 07, 2013 9:09 PM

Sick, Motogp generates over 200milion euro from TV rights and F1 1 billion unfortuneatley I cannot find out what WSB does but as it has very few deals and Eurosport exclusive it probably isn't a lot.
One round pays the travel fund for the whole year for Motogp and its not hard to guess what that is, and Motogp teams get travel expenses WSB does not.
Both of them need to streamline which Dorna have been trying the other party has limited to one bike in the pit, 4 in the truck though.
And anyone who believes that the FIM have a big input regarding rules is being a bit naive, Dorna employed a technical coordinator to do that. At the end of the day the announcements come via the FIM but remember its contracted out. Anybody remember the ACU?

JC Racing - Unregistered

January 07, 2013 9:27 PM

If that does come true, I'll finally have hopes of running a world level team, as opposed to a national or even regional setup. There's only so much sponsorship money to be found in Brazil. There must be several teams out there hoping for an affordable world championship.

studs

January 07, 2013 9:44 PM

@This is a World Championship after all

A very good (and unexpected) answer... :) I also note with interest that your lack of a rebuttal suggests you reluctantly acknowledge the current financial constraints on top level racing.

I actually agree that your vision of the future is not entirely without precedent! I suppose we just have to trust the powers that be to be circumspect, wise and flexible going forward. I already believe the manufacturers wish to make a new era work and hope their scruples, along with clever husbandry by the governing bodies, serve to make a fair and workable playing field for all.

Oh, and homologation should be based on percentage of volume to keep the Hondas of this world in check. We should also stop pandering to manufacturers who spit the dummy over the rules. When Ducati find they can't run a twin and be competitive, they'll need to make a four or bu@@er off... trust me, there'll be plenty of great bikes and manufacturers left.

If all interested partie

studs

January 07, 2013 9:45 PM

... If all interested parties succeed in this alchemy (probably the wrong term here, because it's there to be had with mutual goodwill), we should see full grids of excellent production motorcycle racing through the evolutionary transition from the current to the next crop of litre superbikes... Bring it on!

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