WSBK » No timescale for Ducati ‘challenge’, says Checa


Carlos Checa says he is committed to finding the improvements the new Ducati 1199 Panigale needs to get on terms with its rivals following a tough start to its racing life.

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Gixxer - Unregistered

May 30, 2013 10:27 AM

I think a trellis frame and underseat pipes like a real ducati would sort this.

I am thinking of getting a new bike. Was thinking of a 1098 or a 1199 but noway would i get a pignail.

mike34 - Unregistered

May 30, 2013 10:56 AM

It's all about developing the bike in wsbk spec. look at the superstock championship it's probably the best bike in that class and that's the bike you would be buying

chooch - Unregistered

May 30, 2013 11:25 AM

such a shame they are having a hard time. one of my track bikes is an 1199 and it is great fun and handles great. unless you have a number 7 or 21 on the front you'll never out preform it. the restriction plates choking the motor are mainly what make checa look slow. rsv4 going 211mph and can't be past even while drafted. where checa passes around the outside. can't totally blame handling...

Jon

May 30, 2013 11:28 AM

Everything is relative in racing- a bike is only 'slow' when compared to the competition. If Carlos got back on the 1198 he'd finish no further up the pecking order as the BMW's and Aprilias (and the ZX10 in the hands of Sykes) are that much faster than they were in 2010/2011.

People talk about the 2007 800cc GP bike with its trellis frame and how much better it was. Really? Na, it was just more competitive for its time but outright slower than the later 800's and certainly the 1000 (also with the control Bridgestones, remember).

It looked to me that the WSBK is struggling with power delivery, making shapes and pumping the rear. If you watch the STK racing the Duc is always out of shape and needs refining. Carlos doesn't ride like that....

lol - Unregistered

May 30, 2013 11:36 AM

@GIXXER

.Obviously the base is good - Suoerstock!! but Yeh I can see the set up problems the WSBK team is having would make a MASSIVE difference to you riding from burger van to burger van on the road. Good choice loooool

shamarone

May 30, 2013 12:48 PM
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re: "why are Ducati so obsessed with getting rid of a frame?"

in the case of the WSBK, my guess is it offered a massive weight reduction to offset the penalty the V12's were being saddled with. for all their ride quality, steel trellis' aren't exactly light. at least not in the "old world" fashion they choose to manufacture them. technically, the cro-moly tubing on a redline or mongoose BMX bike from the early 80's is constructed better. lol

but see the reoccuring theme of "no free lunch" creeps in yet again. dumping the trellis meant dumping 25 years of set-up data (their REAL advantage). trot out an old 1198F0 sans weight or restrictors and a healthy checa would've likely been the one doubling at donington. monster mob and GSE kit used to own that place.

PhilW - Unregistered

May 30, 2013 1:33 PM

The old style Ducati twins had the advantage of low down grunt, massive torque and very linear power delivery. Great for real-world roads and tracks without long straights.
The Panigale engine is trying to be like a four, with all the power at the top end via an ultra short-stroke motor and nothing happens below 8000rpm until you hit an almost 2-stroke like power band.
Coupled with a frame as stiff as a scaffold pole you have no idea what the front end is doing - you just go into a corner and hope.
As a long-term Ducati owner and fan, I wanted the Panigale to be great. It isn't. There are loads of nearly new Panigales on the second-hand market which really tells you all you need to know. If I was in the market for a superbike right now, it would be an Aprillia RSV4 or BMW1000RR. Nothing else really comes close, certainly not the Panigale.

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