WSBK » Checa wary of Silverstone’s fast sections


Carlos Checa is hopeful of building on the promise shown in Russia, but admits Silverstone doesn't play to the Panigale's strengths.

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LLarry

July 31, 2013 2:48 PM

It's time to stop making excuses Carlos.
Yes, a twin is going to lose out to a four on sheer top end horsepower but you have an extra 200cc and the restrictors are gone.
If you can't do it now, then you never will.

shamarone

July 31, 2013 6:06 PM

re: “Silverstone is a very different track to Moscow Raceway he English circuit has fast sections where you're riding full throttle, and that will mean a disadvantage for us."

keep it pinned chubbs, keep it pinned. remember, WTFO.

IvorBueb

July 31, 2013 8:14 PM

I think that 2 cylinders has reached the end of the road, for race bikes at least.

Seems like the paginale is an attempt to make a v twin emulate a 4 cylinder. But why not make a v4 like Aprilia? Ducati appear to have their head up their **** at the mo.

shamarone

August 01, 2013 3:18 AM
Last Edited 361 days ago

re: "I think that 2 cylinders has reached the end of the road, for race bikes at least."

if that engine was in the old trellis, checa'd be leading the points, and there would be at least a dozen posters coming outta the woodwork shouting ducati only wins because they have a 200cc advantage. am I lying...?

jambop

August 01, 2013 10:22 AM

if that engine was in the old trellis, checa'd be leading the points, and there would be at least a dozen posters coming outta the woodwork shouting ducati only wins because they have a 200cc advantage. am I lying...?

Really, I mean Really what do you know about making racing motorcycles that Ducati don't. I mean come on tell us all what qualification/ knowledge you have that entitles you to tell Ducati how they should make their bikes. Don't give me the well it worked before that is ******** and you know it every other bike in the paddock is much better than even last year never mind the year before that. But tell please do why that reverting to the older frame would make this bike a winner.

LLarry

August 02, 2013 11:56 AM
Last Edited 359 days ago

Well jambop, reverting to a trellis frame probably WOULD solve a lot of their problems.
One thing all Ducati superbikes from the 888 through to the 1198 possessed was excellent handling and feel because the trellis suited the L-engine architecture.
They may have been down on power but the traction & drive out of a corner made up for it on most circuits.
The monocoque frame is a failure. It didn't work on the MotoGP bike & it doesn't work on the Panigale. If you had ever ridden one you would know that it is like riding a scaffold pole with zero front end feel. Ducati now has a bike that doesn't handle plus the power disadvantage of a twin.
Ducati knows it but they are stuck with the situation until they launch a replacement to the Panigale which probably won't be for 2-3 years. But I'd like to bet that when they do, it will have either a trellis or aluminium frame unless ego gets in the way.
Put simply, a Panigale motor in a 1198 chassis would be winning races.

jambop

August 02, 2013 4:01 PM

Put simply, a Panigale motor in a 1198 chassis would be winning races.

Put just as simply how did you arrive at that conclusion ? How do you know that the pignale motor would be good enough to win races if it was in an old trellis frame? Your analysis is as correct as those who say that the answer to the gp bike is somehow bringing Casey back, and the reasoning behind that conclusion... well he did it before.

LLarry

August 03, 2013 8:00 PM

Because the trellis-framed 1198 handled.
Because the Panigale motor has more power than the 1198 (205bhp v. 192bhp) in race trim.
Because the Panigale has the same engine architecture than the 1198.
Because it was done before - when the 999 originally had handling issues at the start of it's development the motor was put in the old 996 frame and raced (by Frankie Chilli). It worked and became the 998r & LE.
Enough for you?

jambop

August 03, 2013 9:17 PM

Because the trellis-framed 1198 handled.
Because the Panigale motor has more power than the 1198 (205bhp v. 192bhp) in race trim.
Because the Panigale has the same engine architecture than the 1198.
Because it was done before - when the 999 originally had handling issues at the start of it's development the motor was put in the old 996 frame and raced (by Frankie Chilli). It worked and became the 998r & LE.
Enough for you?

Eh No really ! All of the above means squat the engine is new you don't know how it makes its power. It may be peaky whereas the other engines had a good flat power curve the torque curve may slightly different YOU don't know, little things like that make a big difference not even mentioned the electronics . You are making assumptions which quite frankly you can't !

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